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Old 04-28-2011, 03:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Common DA, AA, HA Breeds that AREN'T Pitbull types

We all know the pit bull type breeds are commonly known as potentially being dog agressive though some never show DA through out their lives while others very much do but are still overall happy members of the fam.

Then I got to thinking about other breeds that I've commonly seen being DA as well as HA & AA; from common pure breeds to ocassional mixes.

Some I've seen quite commonly are poodles, daschunds, malteses & chi's (first examples that popped in my head). Most of which were owned by neighbors, friends or family & the aggression is so unpredictable at times. Yet this is never discussed anywhere really, why? Is it due to an unsound dog or just part of the breed itself since it seems so common?

Where as with the bully breeds you KNOW what to expect 90% of the time (I say 90% because at the end of the day an animal is an animal) & a good owner knows the proper way to avoid 'situations'.

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Old 04-28-2011, 04:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I had a dalmatian when I was a kid. He was very dog aggressive, he got along fine with the two females he grew up with though. But any other dogs were fair game. He was intact so that possibly had something to do with it.

I also agree with dachshunds (sp) I have seen several of those little dogs be very aggressive towards everything.

You never see small breeds aggression being discussed because people think it is cute and funny and just excuse the behavior. I saw a dachshund chase a little girl and her dad who were walking. The owner was just running after the dog with a rake! WTH? Pick your dog up!
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Chow Chows are HA.. my fiance knows from experience ..(got bit in the a$$) .. and my buddy in high school had 2 of them.. i wouldnt step foot in the backyard without him
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Australian cattle dogs can be DA and have some HA. I owned a red male who was both HA and DA. He was a tenacious BA. They are a breed that is naturally suspicious of strangers and mine most definitely was. Akitas are another breed that can be both but DA more than anything. With small dogs like chis, poodles, and yorkies I think alot of them are poorly bred and they are coddled way to much by there owners and aren't treated like "real" dogs but more of an accessory to the owner. Alot of them become HA when in the arms of there owner. I've seen that many of times especially with chis. Some of them turn into gremlins lol!
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My friend's parents had a chow when I was a kid. I always heard that they were aggressive, but their dog was as sweet as can be.
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I've heard that Akita's can be DA and HA. But they are beautiful dogs
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I think that all dogs that are not kept in "check" will resort to these tendancies.
German Shepards, my first dog as a child was my dad's k9 dog. I never knew one that hadnt killed something or bitten someone. Ill have another GSD before too much longer....
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A lot of my family has GSD's, once again, sweet hearts! lol It is funny how the dogs that tend to have a bad rep tend to be the best dogs and the ones who seem to be the best family dogs can be secretly aggressive.
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Dog's who can be DA
Border collies
Rotties
Shepherds
Great Danes
anything little with Napoleon syndrome ie Chihuahua's
Dobermans
Akitas
Labradoodles
Malinios
little terrier type dogs
Cattle dogs

That's from my experience from the training classes I have had and all the dogs I have seen have issues over the years.

HA is tricky because many times just like the APBT it is bad breeding that Promotes HA.
breeds that I have seen a lot of HA issues with are
German shepherds
Malinios
Chow Chow
Rotties
Dobermans
Labradoodles (seriously they are so over bred by BYB's they have serious issues sometimes)

I am talking about true HA not a dog leery of strangers like a mastiff or cattle dog that is just not liking strangers or being territorial. True HA is an unsound dog not just one who would bite you in the rear if you came on my property. Many times HA is thrown around to describe dogs who could potentially bite but it depends on the situation. A true HA does not care if your on his property or at the pet store, he is a confident dog who's temperament is based on true aggression and just a nasty animal. Fear aggression is not always HA but situational, they would rather run away but if forced to face you will bite. That is not HA that is FA. A territorial dog is not HA I have a perfect example of this. Kaos my old dog bite about 4 people in his life, he was a very confident dog and perfect with people out in public. The problem was he was very territorial and had a huge guardian instinct. All the bites were people that were on my property that did not belong. The reason he is not HA is he is not try and maul anyone he just was protecting his property. He bite the pizza guy who I told not to come into my yard. He opened the gate and Kaos ran out and nailed him in the hand but when the guys showed no threat Kaos backed off and came inside. We had no clue the guy got bit till he came to the door. Kaos was very proud of himself for protecting the house but let the guy keep coming to the door because he was not a threat anymore.
I had some one in my back yard that was suppose to call before they came over to work on the house. They didn't, I let him out and he cornered the worker and kept him there till I got there. He didn't really hurt him just a nip to keep him still till I got there. When I lived in a bad neighbor hood when I was younger he caught a guy and held him still still the cops came. This guy was running through backyards away from the cops and Kaos caught him trying to jump out of our yard. Someone broke into my house and Kaos attacked them and forced them off my property when I loved on 5 acres in the mountains. I came home and my horses were running down the hwy and Kaos was patrolling my yard. I had left him inside and when they opened my door they got a big surprise. Shortly after that he was a little more on edge but got over it in a few months. Poor guy they really beat him up to get him off them and he had to be in the hospital for a few days. A friend of mine jumped my fence and ran up to my house shortly after that and all he heard was someone running up to my house. He ran out and nailed her in the leg then realized it was his auntie and ran back in my house and hid in the shower. lol Now some people would call they HA but it is being territorial not HA. HA is not selective to environment it is consistent anytime some one new is around. I would take another dog like him any time, he kept us safe from strangers but was the biggest love in the world. I feel more vulnerable without my old man protecting my house that I might have to replace him with a rottie or something similar.
Now was his temperament typical for an APBT? no it was not, none of my other dogs are like that he was special. He was heavy Zebo bred and I wonder if that was a factor since some of those dogs are known to be edgier an man biters. Anyway those are some examples of a dog who is territorial vs a HA dog who dislikes everyone all the time and bites without discretion.
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In dog training for the general public I come across this a lot! Most of the dogs dont do any real damage and if they do it is not a news worthy event! There for it never gets stretched out of proportion and blasted to the mindless masses as the TRUTH! I would say that 90% of DA,HA and AA cases i have are pure bred show lines dogs! But that is what happens when people breed for looks ,coat,ped, head, chest,ect... and completely neglect the fundamentals of breeding good dogs! temperament is not even a thought,for many of the breeders health is an afterthought!
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been bit by a chow chow lol , only dog to ever bite me and was unprovoked. I have seen shephards who have issues with people , a friend of the family owned one and the rule comming into the house was no eye contact, he was mean only dog iv been actually scarred of , { i didnt go there often}. my uncle had a wolf hybrid and he was friendlier then the shephard. alot of little dogs I think could fall into these categories , you just dont hear storys about them as you do the pitbulls cause the injurys are usually alot more minor, and what grown man is gonna talk about the viscious mauling he just took from a yorkie lol. chi's are nasty though my aunts all have them nasty nasty lil dogs lol.
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i was bitten in the face by a GSD when i was younger... i was with my grandma on her friends property talking to her friend.. i started to walk to the truck to get something and the dog was following me.. i turned around and he jumped and bite me in the face.. no damage.. just an aggressive nip
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Great info all, keep it coming!

I find that interesting about the labrodoodles - sad they're the new overbred trend . Americans produce pets like fast food - so sad

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German Shepards, my first dog as a child was my dad's k9 dog. I never knew one that hadnt killed something or bitten someone. Ill have another GSD before too much longer....
GSD's are great protectors. My ex-stepfather adopted one shortly after he married my mom when I was a teen. Made it practically impossible for me to leave the house, not that I was ever aloud out as it was haha. The dog was always hearding me, my brothers, Mom together in the living room. If we weren't I remember him getting bitey, which wouldn't been a big deal if I wasn't allergic to him.

Sadly one night he went after my cat who wasn't spayed & just had kittens (unfortunately) & went for my stepdad by accident when he intervened... It was the last I saw of him. there's more to the story about that dog but that's another topic.

He is beautiful now 14 & being taken care of by my mom.

They are great dogs if properly trained & kept active.


I can fortunately say I've never been bit by a dog except for on the shoe by ankle biters etc... & snapped at by my moms dachschund. Though i've almost been bitten by geese & ducks, again another story for another time.

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Oooh Sorry to hear. Lucky he didn't go any further
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I'm also seeing a lot of Golden Retrievers being very DA?? Over breeding maybe??? We have a ton on my block and all have gotten into fights and some more than once. One jumped over her fence to attack a lady walking her pekingese. I knokw one Golden on my block was daughter of my neighbor's golden retrievers they were breeding and they weren't the nicest dogs! I was playing catch with my brother once and the ball went near their gate as I bent over they were barking like crazy but I thought they were all bark lol As I went to grab the ball one of the golden's stuck his paw outside the gate and scratched my face :/ luckily it was on my nose but very close to my eye!
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Asian dogs have a long history of DA, AA and HA but they can be controlled. My grandma had a jindo and she would go around hunting deers, killing other dogs when they came by and would go after people that came on to the property. But when my grandma would tell her stop she would stop dead in the tracks. Chows are "aggressive" but never to their owners. Asian dogs were bred to be very aloof with all strangers and animals.

I see a lot of little dogs with aggression to every living thing. I call it little dog syndrome and it affects the owners. They let their little dog get away with everything and never exercise them since they're tiny. I had a friend that believed her chihuahua never had to be walked because she was so small and she can just walk around the house.

AND FINALLY I see a lot of working dogs are "aggressive" like German Shepherds, ACD, Border Collies etc because they don't get enough physical and mental exercise and they go... insane?

A lot of the popular breeds have issues (bulldogs, cocker spaniels, labs, goldens) due to BYB's breeding hell out of the dogs regardless of mental issues.
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