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Old 05-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Is it practical to drive a 4x4 jeep in New york city?
No.
Is it practical to have a Sheep dog if i dont have sheep?
No.
If i have a sheep dog, and all sheep are extinct is it practical to still have one?
No.
What if sheep dogs were still being bred, but all sheep are extinct and its general purpose was to herd sheep, how can i check if the dog indeed is a sheep dog?




You see where im getting with this.
No need to bash someones dog, Bullies branch off from the APBT family, so we are cousins not enemies.
I am very much a gearhead and i always find myself realting things to cars. i work for toyota (jeeper dont hate) and i always laugh at the people who complain about the ride or the blindspots on the FJ Cruiser. now for those that dont know, that vehicle was designed to look like an old FJ40 and perform a certain way off road. it was not designed to fit in ur garage and drive u comfortably to work and school and gracery shopping. all in all like the APBT, designed to perform not look pretty.

i kinda lost where i was going with this one.... lol oh well, im sure i made a poin there.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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If u don't use an apbt for its intended use, why not have a bully?
Thats why i have a bully. The [] is illegal in the US.

True APBT breeders still breed 'emag' driven dogs, but to no one in the states.

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I am very much a gearhead and i always find myself realting things to cars. i work for toyota (jeeper dont hate) and i always laugh at the people who complain about the ride or the blindspots on the FJ Cruiser. now for those that dont know, that vehicle was designed to look like an old FJ40 and perform a certain way off road. it was not designed to fit in ur garage and drive u comfortably to work and school and gracery shopping. all in all like the APBT, designed to perform not look pretty.

i kinda lost where i was going with this one.... lol oh well, im sure i made a poin there.

Ya im a gearhead as well lol.

If i was hunting hog, id want 'emag' driven dog. If im chillen watching netflix and just a busy week, i would be doing more harm to the dog by just having it in a kennel.

APBT require physical activity! As for bullies they have the drive of an APBT, but they're restricted by their body features.

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American Bully = Arnold Schwarzenneger/The dudes from the jersey shore/Sylvester Stallone

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If u don't use an apbt for its intended use, why not have a bully?
Because Bullies are slowly becoming EBs in all sense of.. (yes, a FEW exceptions) The list of genetic health problems just continues to grow, blame it on what the individual breeders foundation stock consisted of if you will.. However, as an example, look at how over produced "Blue" (and all variations of the gene) is, careless at that.. Skin allergies are a high bi product.. I don't know how many AmBullies i've seen where the muzzles over just a few generations have gone to "normal" to EB.. Easty Westy i've NEVER seen higher in any other breed by the numbers, lack of solid temperament and structure? You got it..

There are MANY reasons for not owning a Bully, even if you do manage to get lucky enough to get a pup off a ethical breeder, excellent quality dam and sire.. Look at what you are associated with from the outside looking in,, sure it doesn't REALLY matter but i'd personally stay away from it.. And thats not getting into the fact i'd have no use for a dog bred for no use other than the show ring.

If its your cup of tea, great.. But really, if i DID want a Bulldog that lacked drive, function and maybe had some "performance" for sport, i'd look at a SBT or BT.. Then you have the AST as well..
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Personally, I am for the ethical treatment of animals...the organization is a different situation entirely. Not a fan of hog hunting due to it proving nothing really, and it is fairly cruel. So an apple can take down an orange, or the opposite, big deal it's still apples against oranges...unfair comparison. APBTs are more willing and seem to enjoy the battle between eachother (at least to a point), while I'm sure a hog's enjoyment ceases to exist. Anyway that's IMO. Now, I do have a serious question. If there are virtually no real APBTs among us any longer, then what are the reputable dogmen selling? I'll go a step further, if you acquire a pup from "proven" stock (from said dogman) is this pup not considered an APBT until it has done time in the []? As for myself, I don't mind calling my pups "bulldogs" since many a dogman used the same name in their yards and I don't look at it as a slight, versus how it comes across on this site. Hell, call them what you want, just don't call them late for dinner
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Personally, I am for the ethical treatment of animals...the organization is a different situation entirely. Not a fan of hog hunting due to it proving nothing really, and it is fairly cruel. So an apple can take down an orange, or the opposite, big deal it's still apples against oranges...unfair comparison. APBTs are more willing and seem to enjoy the battle between eachother (at least to a point), while I'm sure a hog's enjoyment ceases to exist. Anyway that's IMO. Now, I do have a serious question. If there are virtually no real APBTs among us any longer, then what are the reputable dogmen selling? I'll go a step further, if you acquire a pup from "proven" stock (from said dogman) is this pup not considered an APBT until it has done time in the []? As for myself, I don't mind calling my pups "bulldogs" since many a dogman used the same name in their yards and I don't look at it as a slight, versus how it comes across on this site. Hell, call them what you want, just don't call them late for dinner
All Bulldogs or Bandogs until otherwise proven, thus in order to be called an APBT one must prove itself worthy.. A pup off proven stock is a Bulldog until..

"Real" dog men are selling two hounds: Bulldogs that are extremely versatile, immense drive and all but proven in the [].. Old blood, proven blood.. AND APBTs.. Nothing sub par, few curs.. Show stock? Leave it to the show goers.
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"Real" dog men are selling two hounds: Bulldogs that are extremely versatile, immense drive and all but proven in the [].. Old blood, proven blood.. AND APBTs.. Nothing sub par, few curs.. Show stock? Leave it to the show goers.
Well, I'm not going to debate the name for name's sake...it'd be like a dog chasing it's own tail LOL! We may differ in our opinion of what is an APBT, but I do understand that with opening the door a wee bit to interpretation it allows the so called APBT imposters to get their foot inside... where we are at today. I can not deny that I have "hounds" number 1 by your definition, due to being unproven, but I know that the APBT exists behind those amber eyes
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Mustangs, Arabians, Thouroughbreds, all running horses... Is a thoroughbred worth anything if it can't win a 2min race? How about Arabians which thoroughbreds come down from, they dont call thorughbreds arabians which are desert horses build for speed for what 2000yrs ??? now those two horses as great as they are couldn't survive in mustang country just as the mustang isnt in a 2min race and other than Frank Barnes of the old west don't win arabian races. .. Work and Region.. names the working animal Its all really practical only thing that affects it is ego and the willingness to accept truth or unwillingness to accept it and those argue with a full face of denial.

Can a thorough bred still be a thoroughbred without the race? how about the arabian? I know from rodeo and horse culture that the mustang is in the appaloosa and other good rodeo and cutting horses however mustang is wild horse once bred captive the name changes.. "mountain pony".. They dont call Appaloosas mustangs and i've heard many say about Mountain Ponys yeah theres some mustang in ya.. Its all really practical and common sense. Same senerio with working dogs.. AKC siberian huskies are junk compared to traditional sled dogs and Alaskan huskies, just as bully and AST and show bred APBT is to the traditional APBT.. Simple as that.
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Seeing so many of these Bully breeders, and their breeding standards is what pisses me off about the breed. There are, of course a couple good ones.. but the vast majority just throw the biggest and baddest dogs together w/ no consideration to health, temperament, or what these odd mutations are doing to the poor dogs. Bowed legs, high rears, non-existent muzzles, turned out feet... it HURTS to be an AmBully any more! YES there are a few nice specimens, but to even CALL the AmBully a BREED is what pisses me off. With a breed, regardless of its origins, you get CLEAR AND CONSISTENT type in each litter. There is NO clear and consistent type to the AmBully.. they are ALL OVER THE PLACE. Litters can produce standards, XL's and shortys... in one litter!! No real breed has so many different types, especially out of the same litters. Then they wanna add in frenchies and call them shorty-bulls. Ummmm.. NO. Do you think we are blind? Do you think we can't tell that they're freaking french bulldog mutts with cropped ears?

Had these AmBully breeders stuck to what Dave Wilson had planned.. crossing Amstaffs and APBTs to get bigger dogs, then there would NOT be such a randomness in these dogs' traits.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY to some AmBullies, of course.

I really got it hit home a few years ago as an ACO, when this guy with an AmBully got him from a breeder for thousands, and bred the dog (a male) to some pit bull mixes and sold the pups to make ends meet (From his own mouth). The dog was under a year old, w/ 3 litters on the ground w/ 3 different pit mixes, and the owner said the breeder would trade the male in a few years for a younger one, or something like that. Just disgusting.
AGAIN... not a representative of ALL ambully breeders/owners, but... it's just the atmosphere around the breed.. all about the look. /end rant


Oh, if it didn't come across in the post, I HATE THE BREEDERS... NOT THE BREED.
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Ya im a gearhead as well lol.

If i was hunting hog, id want 'emag' driven dog. If im chillen watching netflix and just a busy week, i would be doing more harm to the dog by just having it in a kennel.

APBT require physical activity! As for bullies they have the drive of an APBT, but they're restricted by their body features.

Like i mentioned in another thread....

American Bully = Arnold Schwarzenneger/The dudes from the jersey shore/Sylvester Stallone

APBT = Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao/Mike tyson
You serious?? What drive? A few may have some toy drive, some prey drive, etc but ain't in NO way, shape or form even remotely similar.
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Seeing so many of these Bully breeders, and their breeding standards is what pisses me off about the breed. There are, of course a couple good ones.. but the vast majority just throw the biggest and baddest dogs together w/ no consideration to health, temperament, or what these odd mutations are doing to the poor dogs. Bowed legs, high rears, non-existent muzzles, turned out feet... it HURTS to be an AmBully any more! YES there are a few nice specimens, but to even CALL the AmBully a BREED is what pisses me off. With a breed, regardless of its origins, you get CLEAR AND CONSISTENT type in each litter. There is NO clear and consistent type to the AmBully.. they are ALL OVER THE PLACE. Litters can produce standards, XL's and shortys... in one litter!! No real breed has so many different types, especially out of the same litters. Then they wanna add in frenchies and call them shorty-bulls. Ummmm.. NO. Do you think we are blind? Do you think we can't tell that they're freaking french bulldog mutts with cropped ears?

Had these AmBully breeders stuck to what Dave Wilson had planned.. crossing Amstaffs and APBTs to get bigger dogs, then there would NOT be such a randomness in these dogs' traits.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY to some AmBullies, of course.

I really got it hit home a few years ago as an ACO, when this guy with an AmBully got him from a breeder for thousands, and bred the dog (a male) to some pit bull mixes and sold the pups to make ends meet (From his own mouth). The dog was under a year old, w/ 3 litters on the ground w/ 3 different pit mixes, and the owner said the breeder would trade the male in a few years for a younger one, or something like that. Just disgusting.
AGAIN... not a representative of ALL ambully breeders/owners, but... it's just the atmosphere around the breed.. all about the look. /end rant


Oh, if it didn't come across in the post, I HATE THE BREEDERS... NOT THE BREED.

Different bloodlines have/do different things in the AM Bully world just as APBT world.

Do you call a colby dog a carver dog?

In the bully world its based off looks. In the APBT world... well....u know...
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You serious?? What drive? A few may have some toy drive, some prey drive, etc but ain't in NO way, shape or form even remotely similar.
How would you know if you havent owned a bully yourself?

Im guessing youre basing your opinion on the fat dogs youve seen on youtube and magazines?
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How would you know if you havent owned a bully yourself?

Im guessing youre basing your opinion on the fat dogs youve seen on youtube and magazines?
Hey smiggs wait until he posts a long page essay, about how bullies suck.


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Originally Posted by SMiGGs View Post
How would you know if you havent owned a bully yourself?

Im guessing youre basing your opinion on the fat dogs youve seen on youtube and magazines?
I'm basing this on genetics.. You breed for companionship and the show ring, you lose function and ability.. You breed for mass in replace of lean structure, you lose agility.. A few generations, the original stock is now morphed into the "new" dog.. You don't magically keep instilled what you aren't breeding for.

That is about as basic as i possibly can get..

Occasionally you have a "throw back" where original stock genetics re appear, this is where you get the occasional "performance" Bully.

Theres a reason why you dont see or hear about American Bullies in matches, hog hunting, etc..
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