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Old 05-02-2012, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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why do some pitbull owners hate American Bullies?

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Yes everyone here needs to do their research including the poster with the American Bulldog....LOL

He/she is talking about an American Bully not Amercain Bulldog.
He is not talking about American Staffordshire Terriers.

American Bullys have their own kennel club now. Though they are not recognized by the AKC or UKC. Any dog that looks like an American Bully and the breeder claims has UKC papers can not be shown so do not be fooled. UKC changed their breed standards cause of these poorly bred dogs. Here is the American Bully site The American Bully Registry

The two main blooldines that started this all are Razors Edge (used to be a excellent AmStaff bloodline until Dave Wilson himself ruined it) and Gotti.
Watchdog and Greyline are two of the other ones.
There are now many bloodlines in the American Bully.

These dogs are just high priced mutts. I would stay away from them. To many breeds have went into getting these dogs. Not just AmStaffs, APBT's like they try to claim. Many others are in there also.

Many health issues come along with the breed also.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think its the dogs themselves that apbt owners don't like.. (IMO) I think its where less knowledgeable (sp) people call them apbts or XXL pitbulls and things of that sort.
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Your "typical" American Bully owner listens to rap and is part of that culture.. Your "typical" American Pit Bull Terrier/Bulldog handler is a good ole boy from the country side..

Part of it is just that, typically life styles, choices, etc don't clash with those two.. Another factor is breeding and mislabeling like circlem has pointed out.

The biggest factor, i believe however is purpose.. If we are talking about APBT/Bulldog being in traditional sense.. People handling a high end Bulldog, catch dog, pit dog, etc is not going to support (again, typically) or really understand the need to feed a face valued dog with zero function other than a show ring.. Vise versa..
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Your "typical" American Bully owner listens to rap and is part of that culture.. Your "typical" American Pit Bull Terrier/Bulldog handler is a good ole boy from the country side..

Part of it is just that, typically life styles, choices, etc don't clash with those two.. Another factor is breeding and mislabeling like circlem has pointed out.

The biggest factor, i believe however is purpose.. If we are talking about APBT/Bulldog being in traditional sense.. People handling a high end Bulldog, catch dog, pit dog, etc is not going to support (again, typically) or really understand the need to feed a face valued dog with zero function other than a show ring.. Vise versa..
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Your "typical" American Bully owner listens to rap and is part of that culture.. Your "typical" American Pit Bull Terrier/Bulldog handler is a good ole boy from the country side..

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WOW KM stereo type much? I know some rap listening APBT owners and breeders LOL.


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Why people who like rottweilers dont like labs? it comes down to prefrence nothing more. People who feel the need to put down a completely different breed then what they have obviously have nothing better to do and funny most people who claim american bullys are poorly bred or what not dont have a clue on the breed to begin with. Most every breed out there started as a mutt so for him to even go there is retarded, they are recognized as there own breed.

Now as to why APBT people dont like Bully PEOPLE is because some feel the need to try and portray there dog to be something it isnt and call it an APBT. I would be mad too if lab people all of a sudden decided they want to call there dogs APBT or bullys so i can see there point.

OP from what that person has responded with I would say they know crap all about the breed and wouldn't take anything they say for much. When they show up with some facts other then Dave Wilson ruined the breed LMFAO Dave Wilson produced the breed.
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WOW KM stereo type much? I know some rap listening APBT owners and breeders LOL.


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Why people who like rottweilers dont like labs? it comes down to prefrence nothing more. People who feel the need to put down a completely different breed then what they have obviously have nothing better to do and funny most people who claim american bullys are poorly bred or what not dont have a clue on the breed to begin with. Most every breed out there started as a mutt so for him to even go there is retarded, they are recognized as there own breed.

Now as to why APBT people dont like Bully PEOPLE is because some feel the need to try and portray there dog to be something it isnt and call it an APBT. I would be mad too if lab people all of a sudden decided they want to call there dogs APBT or bullys so i can see there point.

OP from what that person has responded with I would say they know crap all about the breed and wouldn't take anything they say for much. When they show up with some facts other then Dave Wilson ruined the breed LMFAO Dave Wilson produced the breed.
Why do you think i said typical, i never said ALL.. Every magazine i've seen that has to do with Bullies is VERY hip - hop, rap culture oriented.. I'd say near 90% of the American Bully owners i've met or talked to, fit the bill as well.

I mean hell, look at your average American Bully forum, look at who posts and then go to game dog. The comparisons are all over the place, which again, if you re-read my OP i never said ALL..

Hell i would also go as far as saying of that 90% at least HALF of Bully owners are wanna be thugs, wanksters, what have you.. The American Bully population is HUGE and just because you associate yourself with people that are well knowledgeable and diverse, doesn't mean that the over all numbers are the same..

It isn't about "stero typing" it is about pointing out the obvious. A good ole boy from the Blue Ridge isn't going to be impressed with the countless covers, articles, etc that show these oversized Bullies next to 22'' chrome rims and some dude with a thick chain around his neck and a wife beater on..

There are GOOD people out there with those dogs, there are GOOD examples of American Bullies out there however its not what i would consider "typical", "average" or anything "majority".
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WOW KM stereo type much? I know some rap listening APBT owners and breeders LOL.


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Why people who like rottweilers dont like labs? it comes down to prefrence nothing more. People who feel the need to put down a completely different breed then what they have obviously have nothing better to do and funny most people who claim american bullys are poorly bred or what not dont have a clue on the breed to begin with. Most every breed out there started as a mutt so for him to even go there is retarded, they are recognized as there own breed.

Now as to why APBT people dont like Bully PEOPLE is because some feel the need to try and portray there dog to be something it isnt and call it an APBT. I would be mad too if lab people all of a sudden decided they want to call there dogs APBT or bullys so i can see there point.

OP from what that person has responded with I would say they know crap all about the breed and wouldn't take anything they say for much. When they show up with some facts other then Dave Wilson ruined the breed LMFAO Dave Wilson produced the breed.
Dave Wilson also arguably ruined the breed by not keeping close watch on what was going on and what his name was and now being associated with. Just as i would say post 76' ruined the Bulldog in that look at all the curs, overwhelming "show APBTs", etc there are running around.. There are still GOOD people with the Bulldog/APBT as well however because of the availability since i'd say early 1980s, numbers have shot up and its not like all these dogs running around are fine examples either..

....And this is one of my biggest problems with Bully people, most are in denial of the issue facing their breed of choice..I don't mind the dogs or the idea of breeding show dogs as that was their designed purpose, hell i'm more fond of a well bred, representation of the Bully vs a show bred "APBT".
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Why do you think i said typical, i never said ALL.. Every magazine i've seen that has to do with Bullies is VERY hip - hop, rap culture oriented.. I'd say near 90% of the American Bully owners i've met or talked to, fit the bill as well.

I mean hell, look at your average American Bully forum, look at who posts and then go to game dog. The comparisons are all over the place, which again, if you re-read my OP i never said ALL..

Hell i would also go as far as saying of that 90% at least HALF of Bully owners are wanna be thugs, wanksters, what have you.. The American Bully population is HUGE and just because you associate yourself with people that are well knowledgeable and diverse, doesn't mean that the over all numbers are the same..

It isn't about "stero typing" it is about pointing out the obvious. A good ole boy from the Blue Ridge isn't going to be impressed with the countless covers, articles, etc that show these oversized Bullies next to 22'' chrome rims and some dude with a thick chain around his neck and a wife beater on..

There are GOOD people out there with those dogs, there are GOOD examples of American Bullies out there however its not what i would consider "typical", "average" or anything "majority".
I agree. here in CA its terrible. seems like every "APBT breeder" i find is really selling XXL bullies/hippos. im not against AmBullies at all, infact my boy is more likely a bully rather than an APBT, but i like the classics. Angelbaby, i like ur Luna and Cali alot and Pink's Torque is RE i believe too. there are alot of bullies that are nice, but KMdogs is might be right in the fact that the "thugs" are the majority owners of the breed.
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Your "typical" American Bully owner listens to rap and is part of that culture.. Your "typical" American Pit Bull Terrier/Bulldog handler is a good ole boy from the country side..

Part of it is just that, typically life styles, choices, etc don't clash with those two.. Another factor is breeding and mislabeling like circlem has pointed out.

The biggest factor, i believe however is purpose.. If we are talking about APBT/Bulldog being in traditional sense.. People handling a high end Bulldog, catch dog, pit dog, etc is not going to support (again, typically) or really understand the need to feed a face valued dog with zero function other than a show ring.. Vise versa..
Excellent points. It's like that in the Shepherd world as well. You have your working line shepherds and your show line shepherds. The you have your Malinois/Dutch Shepherd/Working Mutt people vs the "pure" German Shepherd people. Take a look at the early German Shepherd and it almost parallels the Pit Bull vs "Bully" issue. Is this a German Shepherd or a Malinois?
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I agree for the MOST part with KM, but I am not in any way, shape, or form a good 'ole boy from the country LOL ( I know you said "typical")!! City slickers rule
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It is very true. And I own a bully and a amstaff apbt mix my good lil bulldog. And two apbt they are young dogs. My point being is though my bully is very athletic and has ton of drive when working her it is obvious that lil thought of function.was put into producing her. So their is my answer for you it is hard to have a while lot of respect for a culture that as a whole seems to only care about the look and profit they can gain from their dogs.

A function or purposeless dog that has no job so to speek has little place in the heart of a working dog man. Not to mention the uneducated masses of bulky owners who go around giving all bull dogs a bad name.
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Me and my mom breed American Bullies. And I will have to agree with KMdogs. Most of the Ambully world is oriented around Rap. I have not been to a show yet that didnt have loud rap music and a DJ in the ring. Most of the times the shows arent very organized or anything either and I often feel the judging is very unfair but I still love the dogs. I prefer the cleaner style dogs. And I cant stand the fact that every where I look I see dogs that have major flaws that make the dog miserable. In my opinion the breed is starting to fall apart. So many people have inbred so much deformed puppies are being born, flaws are getting out of hand, and dogs are being born with reproductive problems. It seems that most of the Ambully breeders are only interested in money and the few that arent interested in the money are being over ruled by the people that are.

This is just my opinion. But I am active in the bully world so I have seen and heard a lot. I much prefer a working pitbull over a showing American Bully any day but I wouldnt trade my dogs for the world.
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It seems like in a way, with no offense to either side... Once the market/use/demand for [] hounds fell through the bully was made to respark some sort of interest.... All I see is $$$ when I look at bullies. BYB breeders who deal with bullies still get ridiculous amounts of cash. Yet your good APBT breeder can hardly seem to get any value put on his hounds because of the bully fad. In addition, other than weight pull, the APBT's sport are dwindling. I've already seen PETA type complaints on catch work.... What's next?? Back when I had Hanna's pups to find homes for everyone that asked about em wanted to know if I had any blues.. I was so sick of hearing that mess.
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Main issue is calling a breed what it isn't and adding bad news on the media. Some people have a preference of dogs they like. Me on the other hand go for whatever dog has a good personality or needs my help.
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