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Old 07-07-2012, 10:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Wow you really just don't get it at all do you. I never once said that they should be locked away and not treated like dogs. That's just stupid. I myself have a DA APBT. He goes out in public all the time. He's required to be off leash durring sports also like dock diving and I have never had any issues with my dog ever. That's because he was always well socialized and trained. He's not lacking in any way and is a very happy dog. He doesn't need to have doggy friends and go to dog parks.
While yes it's true that any other breed can bite or attack those other breeds are not demonized and killed daily like APBTs are. Those breeds are not making media headlines. There are people out there seeking these stories and blowing them up, pushing BSL every day. As owners of the breed we are responsible for not letting it happen and keeping our dogs safe. Unless your dog is highly trained and in a sport or activity I don't think they should just be running around off leash anyways. That's why we have leash laws duh.
Say you have your dog off leash and someone is walking by with their dog on leash. Your dog runs up to their being friendly and wanting to play only the other is not friendly and bites your dog. That's YOUR fault!! If your dog gets attacked and is only defending himself, your dog is going to be the one blamed all on his looks and will be taken away. These things can and do happen every day!! Good dog get taken and killed every day!!! It is YOUR responsibility to that dog to make sure he stays safe and these things don't happen to him. It's up to you to keep him away from potentially dangerous situations.
No one is saying not to take your dog our in public or to not socialize him. Keeping up on socialization is a good thing. Just don't put him in positions that set him up for failure. Take him to regular parks where you can have nice leashed walks. There you can socialize with other people, children, and on leash you have better control for calmly greating other dogs as well. There are a ton of fun activities you can do with out just running around off leash.



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Old 07-07-2012, 01:15 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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I do have a thick skin, and ocassionally I secretly like to mess with prejudiced, ignorant people for entertainment...

but I NEVER get the opportunity.

I take Veronica everywhere with me; pet stores (when they're not crowded), outdoor restaurants, the dry cleaners, farmer's markets, art festivals - everywhere they allow dogs - where there are not loose dogs (she's not DA, but reactive if a dog were to get in her face; so we do the whole "Oh look a dog; aren't they WONDERFUL - have a treat, look at me, ignore the dog, shut your mouth" routine)

and she gets ALLOT of positive attention. People are always stopping to pet her; or commenting as they pass how sweet she looks and saying "Hi" to her.

They can usually identify her as a "pit bull" (she's UKC, technically very AST); but they stop me to tell me what a bad rap the dogs get...

I usually mention she's great with people but not so good with other dogs; and no one seems surprised or horrified to hear that. What I usually get is allot of stories about other breeds of dogs they own or know about that have been so bad with dogs (and untrained) that they couldn't be brought out in public.

I'm not certain if it's the area that I live in which is very dog friendly and does not seem to discrimante against any breeds; or if it has something to do with the fact that Veronica really does have a very sweet, very expressive face and most people think she is a puppy and are surprised to learn that she is 6.

But at any rate; just every once in awhile I really would enjoy a good verbal sparring with an idiot...but the opportunity does not present itself.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:15 PM   #33 (permalink)
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These threads seem to spiral off topic really fast, don't they? Just an observation.
Actually completely honest here, "people ask stupid questions" well when I see stupid comments I'm not going to ignore them on here especially.

Rodrigo - The age old debate if you can breed aggression out if it's been bred in... If you listened to the genetics doctor who was on PBLNR last week he feels he has figured it out. I'm not going to explain its once it was about 45 minutes long. Listen to the show im not sure im buying into it, but it suppors your points.

Until BSL is eradicated and all dogs are treated equal, you can NOT treat your dog like he is equal because it is their LIFE you are gambling with.
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kg420 - I never said he was going to be off the leash. I prefer him not to, for his sake not mine. He is still to young anyway. I mean yeah sure he listens really well but I don't feel the need to be like other people and take him everywhere without a leash. I prefer a little control. Especially since he eats a lot of junk.

Jazzy&Veronica- We used to get the same thing with ours that passed away. They would comment on how nice he was and how he looked like a good dog. Only because he actually was. But at least you are seeing more positive people, that is a plus.

Ames- "Actually completely honest here, "people ask stupid questions" well when I see stupid comments I'm not going to ignore them on here especially."

It's nice to know that you seem to think we are making stupid comments. -__- Confidence boost +1
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:33 PM   #35 (permalink)
 

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First off, it's a shame these dogs are even mixed with cur dogs (non ApBT's).
They should never be bred to another breed.
What, you want a "pit bull?" There is only the American (pit) Bull Terrier.
Any mix is not worthy of being labeled with pit dogs. They are what give the true breed a bad name.
Along with their owners!


You say you're wanting to educate the ignorant, yet you haven't educated yourself.
"Bully" breeds are a modern term. And ApBT's ARE NOT BULLY's!
BULLY's ARE NOT ApBT's!

Now as for dog parks, you're kidding, right!?
If you know anything about the ApBT, you know they can turn on at any time,
and that some are just slow starters.
All it takes is one incident to give a bad label to the breed for ten years.
If you want a dog that will be fine at a dog park, GET YOURSELF A Poodle.
ApBT's desire to fight, not because they are trained to, but because it is born in them.
Whatever comes from genetics can NEVER be changed!
Don't be one of them fools who thinks they can change nature...
If there is any ApBT blood in there, he does not belong at a dog park! PERIOD!

And your dog is an unknown...don't label it something you want it to be.
"Pit mix?" Come on, any mix is a mutt, officially.
But in ApBT circles, it will never be an ApBT. Plain and simple.
A bit rude much? And now I see why only a handful of people actually stick around on this site. I see the same usual people and this clearly shows why. Others have become discouraged and or chased off with comments and statements like these. Let me tell you a little secret, if you want to educate people, try to not be such and arse about it. You are not helping the breed anymore then the media with this kind of attitude.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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cant you breed out dog aggression after picking the right parents of every generation to achieve a dog that was less dog aggressive at least?

an apbt s temperament might be genetic but there was nothing genetic about taking a dog and making him fight and then breed only the most vicious or cunning fighters which of course would have to be rabid beasts ........ if it was bred into them...why is it so impossible to breed it out of them ?
You mean is is possible to turn them into curs?
Of course, but who would want to make the breed what it is not?
These dogs were not ever "made" to fight...they were allowed to after bull baiting was banned.
The weak were culled and only the strong survived or were allowed to breed.
That is why health problems and temperament problems were rare in the old days.

Btw, whatever "vicious" means, that is an imaginary word among those who never understood the sport.
Pit dogs had the most tolerable temperament with humans.
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A bit rude much? And now I see why only a handful of people actually stick around on this site. I see the same usual people and this clearly shows why. Others have become discouraged and or chased off with comments and statements like these. Let me tell you a little secret, if you want to educate people, try to not be such and arse about it. You are not helping the breed anymore then the media with this kind of attitude.
Well the soft approach always fails.
You have your ambitions and know what you're going to do.
For you to have the attitude "I'll take my dog to the park no matter what anyone says"
shows me you aren't willing to listen and learn.

You found that rude? LOL
I can show you rude, but I choose not to.
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Was that for me? I hope not. I dont call my dog a pit bull and although my dog may be mixed with some kind of bully and is not a full blood APBT doesn't mean that I cannot educate others on their lack of understanding of the breed. Just sayin.
Did I quote you? No. If I have a message for you, you will know it.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:57 PM   #39 (permalink)
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A bit rude much? And now I see why only a handful of people actually stick around on this site. I see the same usual people and this clearly shows why. Others have become discouraged and or chased off with comments and statements like these. Let me tell you a little secret, if you want to educate people, try to not be such and arse about it. You are not helping the breed anymore then the media with this kind of attitude.
U need to stop and breathe for a second. Yes Goemons answer was a lil blunt. But there is a difference between blunt and rude. So let me tell u a lil secret as well, that thick skin everyone here was talking about, u need it on a forum too.

I've been here for a lil while now and have never had issues with rudeness. People here are gunna call it as they see it. And u don't come off as a box of roses on here either. Words are just words, u can't tell true meaning through written words.
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U need to stop and breathe for a second. Yes Goemons answer was a lil blunt. But there is a difference between blunt and rude. So let me tell u a lil secret as well, that thick skin everyone here was talking about, u need it on a forum too.

I've been here for a lil while now and have never had issues with rudeness. People here are gunna call it as they see it. And u don't come off as a box of roses on here either. Words are just words, u can't tell true meaning through written words.




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Agree Odin but I need to spread rep.

I am sorry if I hurt your confidence. Please understand its became I am very passionate about this breed. Even though are dogs are not APBT they will be lumped in and when people don't take time to understand and read and learn from others experiences to try to prevent anything from happening something might happen. Something might not. But why take the risk? And I do not mean you are stupid just some of the comments were naive. My apologies. If people don't stick around its their choice. Is a good batch Of people who give their opinions no matter what. If you don't agree it's fine but people are going to comment when they disagree with your opinion and usually have experience to back it up instead of being new and wanting to learn all you can and knock on wood, had no problems! Hope it stays that way I really do. But what's wrong with keeping our dogs and other bull dog pups safest possible out of public spotlight just in case an accident might happen.
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"For you to have the attitude "I'll take my dog to the park no matter what anyone says"

Did I say that? No. I have never taken a dog to a dog park, why would I start now? I prefer hiking, that's what I do.

"You found that rude? LOL
I can show you rude, but I choose not to."

The same applies. But I wont stoop down my level.

"U need to stop and breathe for a second. Yes Goemons answer was a lil blunt. But there is a difference between blunt and rude. So let me tell u a lil secret as well, that thick skin everyone here was talking about, u need it on a forum too.

I've been here for a lil while now and have never had issues with rudeness. People here are gunna call it as they see it. And u don't come off as a box of roses on here either. Words are just words, u can't tell true meaning through written words."

Oh no, my feelings are not hurt in the slightest, nor am I affected. I deal with bigger issues that require tougher skin then just a forum. I just find it sad. I can take it, but others will see these kind of comments and think down about this site just as much as the look down a APBT's. It's not good for the site's rep or the dogs.

As for coming off as a box of roses. I tried to be nice, I held back, I brushed off other comments. I found there are some pleasant people on here. But everyone just freaks out over the simplest things, such as people calling there non papered dogs pit bulls. There are non papered APBT's. Not everyone see's the need to have to show proof of their dogs lineage, some are just pets. Who needs papers if they are going to love and care for the dog while enjoying it's company. It's just terminology. Some people should take a breather about that. You can't stop people from saying what they will, look at the shelters. Every dog with a pit bull shaped head is called a Pit Bull mix.
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Agree Odin but I need to spread rep.

I am sorry if I hurt your confidence. Please understand its became I am very passionate about this breed. Even though are dogs are not APBT they will be lumped in and when people don't take time to understand and read and learn from others experiences to try to prevent anything from happening something might happen. Something might not. But why take the risk? And I do not mean you are stupid just some of the comments were naive. My apologies. If people don't stick around its their choice. Is a good batch Of people who give their opinions no matter what. If you don't agree it's fine but people are going to comment when they disagree with your opinion and usually have experience to back it up instead of being new and wanting to learn all you can and knock on wood, had no problems! Hope it stays that way I really do. But what's wrong with keeping our dogs and other bull dog pups safest possible out of public spotlight just in case an accident might happen.

It's ok I can completely understand. I am passionate about my Mustang, I have to deal with the same kind of things. I also am against Rodeo's, and I live in the city with the world's oldest rodeo. People become passionate about something and well, go crazy in a sense. It's completely understandable. You always just have to stop and think, the right way to approach something should not be aggressive, defensive. But you should be calm and thorough, you can't really fight fire with fire. So I am not really offended by your comment, I know how you feel. I know I don't know much about the bully breeds, I had done some research before looking into getting one. I just wanted to know a bit more then I already had. No I don't know everything, just the basics. But i'm ok with that. Being as how some point out that he doesn't even count as a bully breed then I don't have anything to worry about. And as for keeping him out of the spotlight, he will not have a chance to be in it. Sure he goes to public places with me, but his main purpose is companionship, and a hiking buddy. I'm an avid hiker, well used to be before I got him. He is not old enough to handle it yet, but that is what he will do. He will get to explore the great out doors with me.
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"U need to stop and breathe for a second. Yes Goemons answer was a lil blunt. But there is a difference between blunt and rude. So let me tell u a lil secret as well, that thick skin everyone here was talking about, u need it on a forum too.

I've been here for a lil while now and have never had issues with rudeness. People here are gunna call it as they see it. And u don't come off as a box of roses on here either. Words are just words, u can't tell true meaning through written words."

Oh no, my feelings are not hurt in the slightest, nor am I affected. I deal with bigger issues that require tougher skin then just a forum. I just find it sad. I can take it, but others will see these kind of comments and think down about this site just as much as the look down a APBT's. It's not good for the site's rep or the dogs.

As for coming off as a box of roses. I tried to be nice, I held back, I brushed off other comments. I found there are some pleasant people on here. But everyone just freaks out over the simplest things, such as people calling there non papered dogs pit bulls. There are non papered APBT's. Not everyone see's the need to have to show proof of their dogs lineage, some are just pets. Who needs papers if they are going to love and care for the dog while enjoying it's company. It's just terminology. Some people should take a breather about that. You can't stop people from saying what they will, look at the shelters. Every dog with a pit bull shaped head is called a Pit Bull mix.
Look at it this way, why would u want to say u have something u don't. R u a car guy? I can relate it to cars. Let's say u have a 2 door Toyota Paseo, but yet u go around telling everyone about ur 2 door sport coupe and how u wax it everyday and take great care of it and love it. If u don't tell someone what u drive they are going to assume that u have a Camaro or something like that.

If u tell people u have a pit or pit mix ur gunna get the bad reactions. If u tell some one that ur dog could be a mix of several breeds, then u don't get the same reaction. And I agree about shelters, when I rescued Odin that's exactly what his card said pit bull mix. But people feel the need to label things. When I can I simply refer to him as an american shelter dog. If someone pushes the subject I simply say he is a mixed breed with pit bull type traits.

Im not usually so long winded but I just feel the need to explain this. And everytime a thread like this comes up somebody gets their panties in a bunch.
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The problem with calling these mutts pit bulls is that it is just helping add to the confusion of what an APBT really is. Your helping them by doing it. That's the intire reason our breed is in such deep if people would just be honest and say they are mutts or mixed or they really dont know what breed/breeds then our dog bite stats wouldn't be so high. The term pit bull should only be used as a shortened version of APBT. It really sucks that people call everything a pit bull. If all would just stop and call the dogs what they are, mix or unknown, and stopped catagorizing everything as a pit bull the bite stats would drop drastically and BSL wouldn't be such a big issue. Out of all the attacks and media stories almost none of those dogs are APBTs yet they will still say pit bull. Why is this? People continue to judge on looks alone when we know you can not determin a dogs breed on looks alone. You are doing the exact same thing. So when people ask if your dog is a pit bull it's not ok to say yes as you really have no clue. There is nothing wrong with being straight forward and saying no, his breed/breeds are unknown.



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