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Old 10-20-2012, 12:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Walking my Pit

My 9 month old Pit "Zane" does something odd on walks.. As we approach dogs being walked coming toward us, he does this lion crawl starting at about 50 feet away, at about 30 feet he goes to the ground and puts his lower jaw on the ground between his two paws, as if the other dog can't see him.. At that point he will not continue forward with me, completely locks it up on the ground, to move him I have to drag him, not even food will propel him forward..

He then just stays in that position until the other dog has passed by...

Is this a puppy thing??? I had someone tell me today that their Pit used to do the same thing... But to the oncoming people it looks like he's getting ready to attack... Ears are forward and he's really alert while doing it, although cute, I don't want it to lead to anything bad... I've had him for 5 months now and he has never shown any signs of aggression towards dogs or people, just squirrels and cats...

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Old 10-20-2012, 02:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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He's scared of other dogs......(judging by what you typed)
If he isn't acting friendly towards people at this young age, it could be trouble in future.
Fearful of dogs and aggressive towards people is a bad mix.
At that young of an age shows it may be in his genetics...
and if in his genetics, it can never be fixed.

Have you socialized him with people since he was younger?
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Never showing aggression towards people I would not think he is people aggressive geomon lol

Is your pup food motivated? Toy? What does he love? There are lots of thinks you can try. I would start for positive reinforcement. Helping him understand while on walks nothing is going to happen. Do you have a trainer or know friends who will walk with you to get him used to other dogs on walks?
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Buddha did that for a little while when bigger dogs walked past because he was scared
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He's been socialized since I rescued him, as I said, he has never been aggressive in anyway towards people or dogs, plays with dogs all the time.. Loves people.... I don't think he's scared when other dogs come at him, I think its just something he does..

I have tried his favorite toys and food, and spoken to his trainers about it, he won't do it during class or to dogs he knows, just new dogs... I will try to get it on video next time...
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I am thinking he might also be feeding off them, I know my dog is ad ass and makes a lot of stable dogs uncomfortable. Maybe the new dogs are also punks like my boy, lol. We are working on it an its getting better and better. I had to train myself to not get worked up when another dog was coming, I didn't realize how much my dog sensed me being uncomfortable. I found a good walking group and a trainer where there are always new dogs and situations to put him in and its amazing the changes in my boy. Before I would see a dog approaching and then look at my boy waiting for him to start stalking or gage his reaction instead of redirecting him and letting him know I got it, and he doesn't have to worry. I would try ignoring your dogs instinct to crawl, keep your pace and attitude the same and he will learn there is nothing to be leery of, if you allow him to stop and change your pace, he wins and now feels like he has to be in charge of the situation instead of knowing you are.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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It sounds like your dog is just scared of other dogs.. Might just need to be around another puppy near its age and size to play with an walk with. And the main reason I say it's fear and nothing else is because your dog just freezes there and waits for the coast to be clear before it moves to draw attention to itself which is very common thing that scared animals do.

With my dog, he tends to charge and knock down larger an same sized dogs trying to show his dominance over them which of course I do not allow that behavior any longer by not letting him play with dogs of his size or larger any more. With smaller dogs, he just seems to cower and crawl to them licking in the air as he crawls faster towards them until he reaches them and then lays down.. Obviously hoping they will not be to scared to play type thing..lol
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I wouldn't necessarily say fear, only because the ears are forward and alert and the puppy looks "cute" about it. A fearful dog usually has it's ears back and a decidedly NOT cute look to it's crawling. You say the pup is alert and making eye contact, yet keeping it's head and body lower than that of the other dog.

Usually lowering the head to the ground with ears alert is an invitation to play. You described that, but with the whole body on the ground. Without seeing it first-hand, it really is hard to judge by a description. But to me it sounds like a, "I'd really like to play if you promise not to kill me" kind of situation.... I turn out young pups with older dogs a lot so they can learn manners, and this is how they approach my older dogs all the time...

Has your pup ever lived with an older "no nonsense" dog? If so, it may be why he is being uber respectfull to other dogs and asking for permission to get up and play/greet... I would worry less about this than a pup that just throws itself at every dog it sees.

Of course, like I said, not having seen the pup personally, this is speculation. I really would like to know what the pup does when the other dog actually gets to him....

I do agree with above is saying that you need to just keep walking though. He's not gonna stay on the ground if you keep walking. You should be dictating the stops and starts. Allowing him to just stop and stare at other dogs anytime he feels like it is not helping.... Just keep walking, no matter what he does. You are the leader.

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The dog in my avatar picture used to do this, but for her it was all just play! She would see another dog coming, crouch down, ears forward waiting for the right moment to pounce!

And like the others said, I would just keep walking your dog...don't let him lay there and zone about it
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All great info... I appreciate it.. I think sharon and coach nailed it on the head, on our walk today I asked the other person to bring there lab closer to my dog that was in this ponce position, at first he sniffed, then ponced... The next several dogs I went into a jog, giving him no time to go to the ground....

I will post a picture tommorow..

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All great info... I appreciate it.. I think sharon and coach nailed it on the head, on our walk today I asked the other person to bring there lab closer to my dog that was in this ponce position, at first he sniffed, then ponced... The next several dogs I went into a jog, giving him no time to go to the ground....

I will post a picture tommorow..

Thanks again

lol.. nice.. Turned out to be nothing at all.. haha
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