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Old 08-16-2013, 05:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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I am the owner of 2 great pryenees rescue dogs, one which has only 3 legs. I just bought a home in a country neighborhood in North Carolina and found out yesterday when I met two neighbors that the house down the road about 1/8 mile from me has 8 pitbulls that are kept outside 24/7 chained to dog houses behind their house. I heard the dogs but never saw them because they have dug large holes they sleep in during the hot days. They have no fence or kennels and do not ever go indoors. I am moving in a few weeks. I am active in dog rescue and know the importance of socialization and making any dog a constant part of the family. I want every dog to have a chance, but I am concerned for my dogs safety. I have a 6 foot wood fence on my new property with a small section of 6 ft chain link. I never allow my dogs to be outside a fence without being with me on a leash. I keep my dogs inside with me but have a dog door they can use if they want to go outside in their fenced yard. Where I live now, they can go in and out when I am not home. One new neighbor said there is one pit bull that is aggressive and gets out every few months. The loose dog has been reported, but nothing has changed. Can I trust my dogs will be safe behind a 6 foot fence, if not what can I do to prevent my dogs from crossing paths if their dogs are loose? Is there anything I can do to make my fence safer? My husband and I also walk our dogs daily and the only way I can do this at the new home will be to walk by the house with the 8 chained dogs. I have considered trying to meet the dog owners, but the thought of a stranger approaching a house with 8 chained dogs of any kind keeps me from doing so. Any suggestions on how to best prevent problems, protect my dogs, or how to make life better for the poor chained dogs would be greatly appreciated!! THANKS!
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Do they have proper food, water, and shelter? Do you know for a fact these dogs don't get socialization? I mean just because every time you are outside and see the dogs and there is nobody out there doesn't mean they aren't socialized. I have a dog on a chain spot. He will climb a 6 ft. Kennel and jump out or dog his way out from under one. On the off chance that fails he has chewed his way through. He's on a chain now. He has a huge dog house, a big tub of water that gets filled twice a day to drink out of or cool off in, he gets food every day, and I let him off the chain while I'm outside to run. He goes and checks on the horses with me everyday. I would hate somebody driving past my house everyday to call my dog not socialized or neglected because he's on a chain and they don't see me there :/. As for your question. What kind of fence do you have? Any holes in it?


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sounds like ur neighbor has a real nice dog yard! the dogs are on chains cuz its honestly the safest way to keep a real APBT. a good healthy individual could scale a fence, even if it were 10ft high. so the chain is the best solution and has been for years. as long as ur dogs dont try to get on their yard, i would say they are safe. i would guess their yard looks something like this?
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yah. a 6ft fence is only a speed bump to a high performance dog.
my experience is that folks in the country don't like changing their routine. fences. or concerning themselves with other people's concerns. this is both endearing and problematic sometimes.
obviously building a 20ft wall is not realistic. maybe you can fortify your perimeter with a hot wire on the outside of your fencing.
you will need to be prepared on your daily walks. but i would suggest while on your property, you carry some iron packed with hollowpoints. but that's just me.
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No dog should be kept on a chain without proper shelter if they have to dog holes that's no good IMO. I wonder if you can't see them maybe there is adequate shelter. I would suggest approaching the owners. They may rotate the dogs and exercise and socialize them and you might not be aware. A loose dog does trouble me a proper owner would make sure their dogs can my escape which is why I wonder of proper exercise food water and shelter is also given. Don't judge. Maybe it's not even a dog from their yard that escapes. Who know they could have multiple people working the dogs at their yard.

You can also busy rollers to put on top of your fence or add a few feet to the top at an angle facing out so they can't jump up. And bury chicken wire around a few feet deep around the edges to prevent digging. If you do I would do daily walk throughs to make sure no digging or anything is happening. Since your dogs have the ability to come and go I understand why try can't be chained as easily

Lauren that yard would bee ton of maintenance and looks very clean. I would imagine more than one person is needed to properly care for that amount of dogs.


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I am the owner of 2 great pryenees rescue dogs, one which has only 3 legs. I just bought a home in a country neighborhood in North Carolina and found out yesterday when I met two neighbors that the house down the road about 1/8 mile from me has 8 pitbulls that are kept outside 24/7 chained to dog houses behind their house. I heard the dogs but never saw them because they have dug large holes they sleep in during the hot days. They have no fence or kennels and do not ever go indoors. I am moving in a few weeks. I am active in dog rescue and know the importance of socialization and making any dog a constant part of the family. I want every dog to have a chance, but I am concerned for my dogs safety. I have a 6 foot wood fence on my new property with a small section of 6 ft chain link. I never allow my dogs to be outside a fence without being with me on a leash. I keep my dogs inside with me but have a dog door they can use if they want to go outside in their fenced yard. Where I live now, they can go in and out when I am not home. One new neighbor said there is one pit bull that is aggressive and gets out every few months. The loose dog has been reported, but nothing has changed. Can I trust my dogs will be safe behind a 6 foot fence, if not what can I do to prevent my dogs from crossing paths if their dogs are loose? Is there anything I can do to make my fence safer? My husband and I also walk our dogs daily and the only way I can do this at the new home will be to walk by the house with the 8 chained dogs. I have considered trying to meet the dog owners, but the thought of a stranger approaching a house with 8 chained dogs of any kind keeps me from doing so. Any suggestions on how to best prevent problems, protect my dogs, or how to make life better for the poor chained dogs would be greatly appreciated!! THANKS!


So what's the problem? The fact that the dogs are on chains and your education as regards the practice of chaining a dog obviously came from HSUS propaganda?

Would you being saying these same things if they were Hounds or Sled dogs on chainrigs? And before you even try to jump on that one the practice is quite common with both Hounds and Sled Dogs.

Sounds to me like the neighbor that you're so afraid of has their dogs confined in a responsible manner , also that you've subscribed wholeheartedly to the MYTHS and propaganda spouted by SHILL organisations such as the HSUS and PETA , neither of which do anything whatsoever positive for ANY breed of canine.

You made not a single mention of how those dogs are *actually* kept , no mention of whether or not they were emaciated , had proper water facilties , were in good coat , whether the yard was kept free of excrement. Nothing but repeated focus on the fact that the dogs are on chainrigs , no mention of proper collars or how the chainrigs are maintained either.

And then there is the factor that you " let dogs go in and out while I'm not there" , do you *really* think that should YOUR dog decide it wants to roam while you aren't there a 6 foot fence is going to prove an obstacle to a Pyrenees? A breed that is still used for LGD work in many locales?

Please correct me if I'm in error , but it seems like your mind was already made up before you asked to question i.e..........APBT equals BAD , chainrigs equal BAD , you're just looking for validation of that.

You bring us pictures of a yard full of crap , no water , poorly kept dogs etc. and we'd tell you the truth as regards those factors , but if you expected folks here to jump up and bleat in unison " Chaaains Baaaad" , wel I seriously doubt that will happen.

A little math for you , calculate the square footage on a 6 x 10 kennel run , and then calculate the square footage available to a dog on a 15 or 20 foot chainrig. Much less a 30 or 40 foot ground cable with a 15 foot chain runner attached.

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People freak when you say a dog on a chain..

However the dogs are managed is the factor in how humane their environment is.

Tell ya what.. don't worry so much about keeping another dog as much as you need to worry about keeping your dogs in. Great Pyrenees are very human aggressive when running stray 9 of 10 times. I'd be more worried about that.

As far as protecting your dogs while on a walk and a bulldog is loose charging is sticky bear mace that covers the face with gel.. ANY other method does not work very well because of their intense prey drive. Some times a smart dog will knock it off an go home if you command the dog with calm air and no fear, like tellin your own dog to get off the couch. Just make sure your dogs aren't ever free roaming leash law applies to all dogs at all times if you don't have control of your dog and it antagonizes its own death... that is on you.. not them.(proverbially speaking)
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a good yard doesn't let start dogs roam around the neighborhood IMO. Nothing to do with HSUS if they don't have shelter or allow their dogs to roam the neighborhood. No one can assume one way or the other IMO. You need more information before people start thinking its a proper yard or their dogs are abused. The same way some assume a chain is bad you can't automatically assume they are being chained correctly. There is a right and a wrong way. No shelter for the dog to keep it out of the elements is not the right way to chain a dog who lives outside 24x7


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A point here , many dogs ( and not just APBTs ) will dig holes to lay in during hot weather , so will hogs , so will some wild animals.......and this can be when unconfined.

Dig down sometime a few inches and see how much cooler the earth with a bit of moisture is that the surface is.

Show me pictures of crap all over , no water or green algaeridden water containers , no shelter , no bedding , dogs in bad coat and/or emaciated and I'll be yelling about it , but just " the dogs are on chains"...........nope.
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a good yard doesn't let start dogs roam around the neighborhood IMO. Nothing to do with HSUS if they don't have shelter or allow their dogs to roam the neighborhood. No one can assume one way or the other IMO. You need more information before people start thinking its a proper yard or their dogs are abused. The same way some assume a chain is bad you can't automatically assume they are being chained correctly. There is a right and a wrong way. No shelter for the dog to keep it out of the elements is not the right way to chain a dog who lives outside 24x7


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Exactly! There is no way to tell whether it is in fact a good yard or is in fact a crappy one just by the little amount of info given. That's why I asked the gambit of questions lol. I have a dog on a chain. I guarantee you he's happier than a lot of dogs in kennels. Way more run room for sure. I've seen people that have dogs on chains that should be chained up like that for a few days to see what it feels like. It's a 50/50 chance.


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a good yard doesn't let start dogs roam around the neighborhood IMO. Nothing to do with HSUS if they don't have shelter or allow their dogs to roam the neighborhood. No one can assume one way or the other IMO. You need more information before people start thinking its a proper yard or their dogs are abused. The same way some assume a chain is bad you can't automatically assume they are being chained correctly. There is a right and a wrong way. No shelter for the dog to keep it out of the elements is not the right way to chain a dog who lives outside 24x7


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She did say " chained to dog houses in the back yard". So evidently there is some sort of shelter. I'll give five to one odds that she's reacting to the fact the dogs are on chainrigs.

Until I see some sort of substantive proof one way or the other I'm not buying into anything.

And eight dogs isn't a large amount of dogs.
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I see what ames is saying with the chains dont = a good dog yard. If the daily upkeep isnt there it isnt a good yard.

This is gonna ruffle feathers but take Pat Patricks yard. He had chains and kennels. I saw a video where his dogs were in disgusting conditions. Hes a respected dog man with chain spots a n d id still stay he had a bad yard.....
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I see what ames is saying with the chains dont = a good dog yard. If the daily upkeep isnt there it isnt a good yard.

This is gonna ruffle feathers but take Pat Patricks yard. He had chains and kennels. I saw a video where his dogs were in disgusting conditions. Hes a respected dog man with chain spots a n d id still stay he had a bad yard.....

Oh make no mistake that I hear Ames's point , but the fact is that chainrigs don't automatically equal a " bad" yard either.

As for Patricks , well the care his dogs received detoriated over the years. And it had ZIP to do with chainrigs , since of course in his locale an anti-tethering ordinance was passed and the care didn't change when the kennels came in , in fact it was worse.

KENNELS don't automatically indicate a good yard either , so lets put that notion to rest right here , I could name a coupla " big names" with kennels whom I put a dog down rather than put the dog in their hands , and those are from the show community , along with one from the AST show community whose dogs are " in the house" all the time , 60 plus of them in crates.

It's *all* in the maintenance and care of the dogs , not in the specific method of confinement. And frankly 9 out of 10 people bitching about " chained dogs" don't see anything but the fact the dog is on a chainrig , due of course to the media , the HSUS and the PETA types.

And then we have the syndrome I touched upon already , if it's a "pit bull" on a chain it's "bbaaaaaaddddd" , but if it's hounds or sled dogs it's " oh that's just the way they keep them"..........


I could show you are dogyard in Georgia with a 125 Plotts and Walkers on chains and you'd be hard pressed to find a turd anywhere at any time , and you for damn sure won't find a waterbucket with slime growing in it.

Now the OP hasn't come back with any more info , if she comes back and says that you can smell that yard a mile away , that the dogs don't have water etc. , that they are out of coat and out of sorts , like I said , I'll say something.

However someone who lets a Pyr go out by itself when it wants with nobody home may well have a problem or two of their own someday , a six foot fence won't stop a Pyr that wants out.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is a case of city folk moving to the country and then wanting country folk to do it the " city way".

In closing , JTP do you really believe those dogs are " chained to the doghouses"? You have these dogs , how long would a doghouse last if you " chained a dog" to the doghouse?

Betcha it's the typical axle and chainrig setup.

As far as the alleged loose dog , dog gets loose and gets on your property and acts up , shoot the s.o.b , regardless of breed. And yeah I've done exactly that , got sued over it too , for the one I shot and the two the mare they were after stomped to death..........it got tossed out of court and that was in *calif* , two shepherds and a rott that the L.A. city types who bought the ten acres behind us let run loose all the time when they were home and put in their backyard when they weren't home...........behind a six foot fence , they couldn't get to my dogs , because my dogs were behind an eight foot fence..............on chainrigs and in kennel runs.

And before they came after my mare they killed 4 of my neighbors goats and ran his wife in the house.

I'm tired of hearing that chaining a dog is " automatically bad" , it depends entirely on the quality of care and maintenance invovled , jsut like any other method of confinement.
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Who cared and who didn't. Never the what.
Chaining is the what in which you speak. Now go diagnose the who. Who's got the dogs? A loser that doesn't care or someone that does care.
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