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Old 08-26-2013, 08:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dog aggression question...

If dog aggression is genetic it would have to be passed down the line correct? How many generations do you think it can skip and still be considered genetic "da?" This is referring to all breeds of dogs.


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Old 08-26-2013, 11:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not all breeds carry the genetic disposition, if you are asking about Bulldogs you'd be hard pressed to find entire generations that have passed without a few in each litter that are DA..

That's all I have time for now but there's a few threads which this very question has been discussed which would be good reads for you.
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:04 AM   #3 (permalink)
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breeding is really a crap shoot, especially when poeple have no clue what they are doing which is the sad majority of people who breed. Closed gene pools less so. The laymen way of explaining it is picture 2 decks of cards. Behavior and physical traits are not one in the same, different genes are responsible. Each card in the desk is all types of gene for behavior and appearance. You shuffle the deck and take half and there you have it. If you keep adding decks and keep shuffling, by the 4th generation you have a whole new deck of cards being used and the 5th generation is a wash and no longer applicable. With closed breeding pools the percentage is slightly higher, but still just a combination of the cards in the deck. By closed gene pool what I mean is you have 2 champion greyhound dogs bred the chance that their offspring will also be champion racers is only 25%.

In 2006 the dog genome was first isolated and has made tremendous strides on how it effects canines. For example, a dog’s genome consists of 19,000+ genes as few as six genes may determine the shape of a dog’s head, but none of those same six genes will influence behavior. A dog’s physical appearance does not predict how it will behave, which is why its hard for me to jump on all bull dogs are dog aggressive. Unless people are actively breeding for this gene, you never know what you might get. No matter what breed it is (or isnt)
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Genetic DA simply refers to the bi-product of,, that cannot be "trained" out of, such as other behavior issues.

Meaning.. You can breed "non DA" dogs for years, each breeding picking the least to not at all DA dog out of the litter.. You can still produce a "throw back" in the genetics and throw future DA dogs due to the deeply instilled functions and bi product of instilled functions that are buried within the gene pool.

DA does not equal gameness.. In fact are unrelated in many aspects and often, particularly in the case of modernized breeding practice.. DA is a reaction to the action of changing functions.. Many DA dogs out there that are cold Curs..

So, the question is irrelevant to the outcome.. DA ASTs, AmBullies, Bulldogs, APBTs.. Doesn't matter what you talk about, it isn't something you breed out of rather you bury until it resurfaces..


If you want to say under a theoretical scenario of lets say 6 generations pass then you end up with a DA dog.. hell lets say 12 generations.. The number is irrelevant as if the DA is genetic it cannot be "retrained" rather managed.. Compared to that of a problematic behavior situation where the dog can be worked with over time to over come such behavior, is not genetic.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I was mainly asking because my parents have a Rat Terrier that is SEVERELY DA. It showed up suddenly and no amount of training could subside it. That little guy will hit the end of a lead and growl and lunge until he chokes himself out if you let him. The first time it ever happened he chewed through his leash while we were all outside and he jumped right on the neighbors German Shepherd that had came in our yard to go to the bathroom. My parents bought him from my uncle who has the parents, grand parents, and great grandparents on site and he is friends with the people that he got his stock from so it can be traced very far back. They've all talked about it and he's even talked to dozens of people that have pups off of these litters and not one of them had a dog with aggression like that. His grand sire will jump on a rabbit or a squirrel but not another dog. My uncle has actually used them for hunting raccoons and they all get along just fine. He was raised in the same home as a chihuahua, Chiweenie, toy fox terrier, 2 Pomeranians, etc. (not all at one time) and none of them had any dog aggression which leads me to believe it wasn't environmental. It has nothing to do with fear I don't think because he will jump on any dog big or small, male or female, EXCEPT the Chiweenie. It brings me back to genetic. Can it lay dormant like that and not affect any other dog in multiple generations? Or is there a possible cause I'm missing or looking over?


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Rat terriers are also a breed that is commonly referred to as having high dog aggression. At least from what I have read. Of course there is never a guarantee. He could have been dealt the cards that included the DA when it had skipped other generations because of dominant and recessive genes. Just because they have a specific genome doesn't mean that is the one that is dominate. It depends on the sequence and where they are lined up. Tighter the breeding is like less cards in the deck so to speak. They repeat more frequently so it's a higher chance of it occurring. Still trying to understand it better myself but it's a slow process lol


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Rat terriers are also a breed that is commonly referred to as having high dog aggression. At least from what I have read. Of course there is never a guarantee. He could have been dealt the cards that included the DA when it had skipped other generations because of dominant and recessive genes. Just because they have a specific genome doesn't mean that is the one that is dominate. It depends on the sequence and where they are lined up. Tighter the breeding is like less cards in the deck so to speak. They repeat more frequently so it's a higher chance of it occurring. Still trying to understand it better myself but it's a slow process lol


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Ya learn something every day lol. I don't know squat about them other than what my family has said about our male. As far as this line of dogs human aggression is far more prevalent. His dam would chase you out of the house. She was a bitch. I guess with smaller dogs some people think HA is "cute." My uncle is beyond redneck though. He has attack geese. I kid you not.


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ALL GEESE ATTACK except when mel is with me we should all have attack geese lol. The ones by my house leave before it snows and come back in the spring an there is only one more snowfall lol I swear they are my weather geese so I forgive them for attacking me.
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ALL GEESE ATTACK except when mel is with me we should all have attack geese lol. The ones by my house leave before it snows and come back in the spring an there is only one more snowfall lol I swear they are my weather geese so I forgive them for attacking me.
Lol!!! He has a big chain link fence around his house and the geese live in there. You can come all the way up to his gate and that's it. He has to come out and let you in lol. I remember one time one of his female geese got caught up in a plastic bag and he wasn't home and everybody was scared so nobody would help her lol. Not my dumbass. I jumped right in there and cut the bag off of her. She laid there so good and I pet her the whole time. I eased the bag off in pieces and when she was loose I kept petting her. She just stayed there and quaked quietly. So I decided to try and take a picture with her to show my uncle when he got home, LOL!!!! I leaned in, smiled, and SHE FRIKKEN BIT ME!!!!! Omfg it hurt so bad!! She got a huge chunk of my cheek and by the time she let go it looked like I tried to cut my face off with a pair of plastic serrated scissors lol. It left a huge welt that bruised over pretty good. Never again. Geese are the devil.


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