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Patch-O-Pits 12-30-2008 01:21 PM

Evaluating/ Picking A Pup
 
There are a few main things are that are looked for when an eval is done.
Most reputable breeders will eval and put the pups in order accordingly after looking at these factors as related to the breed standard of the org the pup is registered with:

-structurally correct
-proper temperament
-working drive and ability.
- overall health

A pup that meets the needs and expectations of their breeding program as a whole is usually deemed the pick pup. Pick of the litter means different things to different people.

The sex of the dog may or may not be a factor if there is a preference but not as to quality as a whole to which is actually the pick of the litter.

When you have bred a great litter picking becomes harder and harder as many may fit the bill.

Often I see kennels advertising show or working quality pups that are newly born which there is no way to tell if that will be the case so early. You certainly can't look at a couple of week old pup and know much of anything besides that it is cute and its color. You can of course also see if the pup has obvious issues like a tail is kinked, if it has cleft palate.

Color should not be the basis of making a pick. Of course it is OK to have preferences but the other things listed are what is much more important.

That is why first and most importantly the knowing standard inside and out, and the breeders experience overall with the breed and doing evals come into play a great deal when you are searching for an addition to your family.

Then evaluation tools such as Puppy Puzzle, Volhard Puppy Apt test etc are extremely useful so is just daily observations of the litter and individual pups.
Links:
Volhard Puppy Apt test
Volhard Puppy Aptitude Test
(I like to adapt this to my own needs and eval)

Puppy Puzzle
Dogfolk Enterprises - Videos, Books and Seminars for puppy evaluation and dog showing

After a proper eval is done it is easier for a breeder to help a potential new owner be matched to the right type of pup for them.
What the new owners are looking for in a pup ie. show working both or solely a pet needs to become a factor in placements. This helps to make for both a happy owner and happy pup. This is just one of the many reasons it is important to really get to know and trust the breeder you are dealing with when purchasing a pup.

Just sharing for those who are interested in Puppy Puzzle for evaluating puppies. It is a great tool that teaches you how to eval a litter more accurately

A pup at 8 weeks as long as they are not born premies, runts or have some other major health issue will pretty much give you a good idea of what the dogs adult structure will be; as seen in the below picts I took of Samurai who was a puppy out of my litter. Here is the day I did the eval and him as he matured. LOL almost the same pose too, what a brat :woof:

week 8 Oh mom, just give me the dang cookie this show stuff is making me hungry
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ekoldsammy.jpg

Samurai the weekend he Championed... such a wiggle butt:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3.../CHweekend.jpg

So as you see pups grow and change yet there are ways to sort of look into the future to help make better choices.

Of course no eval is foolproof but when looking for specific things in a new pup they are extremely useful.
Having a clear cut plan for exactly what you want and expect from your pup is a huge help when picking the right one for you and your family.

Hope that helps

Roxy_Nie 12-30-2008 01:27 PM

Awesome post!!

Very helpful....Thank you Patch

reddoggy 12-30-2008 02:12 PM

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That's a really cool side by side Patch

Cain714 12-30-2008 02:48 PM

Thank you
 
This is a great post, thanks for sharing this good info.

Sadie 12-30-2008 05:02 PM

Oh you get rep points for this :) Great posting Patch as always you are so helpful .... And Yippi for SAMURAI YOU SEXY BLUEBERRY MUFFIN !!!

ForPits&Giggles 12-30-2008 05:05 PM

:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::clap::cla p::clap::clap:

purplestars21 01-01-2009 12:52 AM

thank you i will do this before i bring the puppy home and let you know how she scored

Trapboi103 01-01-2009 03:24 PM

Great post!! alot of good info!!!

Patch-O-Pits 01-01-2009 03:56 PM

Having a breeder that does evals or one at least willing to work with you to help you do them to me is a huge plus in helping to pick the right pup.

BedlamBully 01-01-2009 05:13 PM

Hey Patch, any tips on picking a pup when you can't actually go 'SEE' the dog?

Patch-O-Pits 01-01-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BedlamBully (Post 96997)
Hey Patch, any tips on picking a pup when you can't actually go 'SEE' the dog?

Make sure you have a REALLLLLLLY good relationship with the breeder, get them to send you both videos of all the pups and stacked and natural standing candid pictures. Hopefully the breeder will do evals and give you that info to help you as well. Have them explain each ones personality and drive too.

bahamutt99 01-01-2009 06:30 PM

And if you're going to trust the breeder to make the choice for you, make sure they've got the experience necessary to evaluate them. Don't go to a breeder who doesn't show and ask them to pick you a show-quality puppy. Same holds true for anything, whether you're looking for a weight pull prospect, SchH prospect, etc.

Patch-O-Pits 03-11-2009 09:00 PM

Bumped up because this relates to a topic being discussed at the moment :)

FloorCandy 03-11-2009 09:22 PM

I'm glad it was bumped, great post!

redsky 03-11-2009 09:25 PM

Def. a great post!

Patch-O-Pits 03-24-2009 09:37 PM

Hope it helps

SuthernStyles 01-15-2011 05:01 AM

I will definitely be using the volhard test

Patch-O-Pits 01-15-2011 02:04 PM

Remember to make sure when using eval tools they are used at the appropriate ages or they aren't very accurate.

LadyRampage 01-15-2011 04:04 PM

Great post!!

One thing I've learned over the years, as a breeder, is to ask what the person looking for a dog WANTS. Especially when it comes to temperament. I don't want them to get a hyper pup when they want a couch potatoe....and this has nothing to do with structure..lol

Patch-O-Pits 01-15-2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRampage (Post 391817)
Great post!!

One thing I've learned over the years, as a breeder, is to ask what the person looking for a dog WANTS. Especially when it comes to temperament. I don't want them to get a hyper pup when they want a couch potatoe....and this has nothing to do with structure..lol

Yes :), that is what the observations and Volhard Puppy Aptitude Test Eval helps with greatly. However I do find structure still even plays a part with that because a pup with poor structure may not be able to keep up with an active family in the long run.

Patch-O-Pits 05-09-2011 11:39 AM

BUMPING It Up For the Newbies...

pitbullmamanatl 05-09-2011 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patch-O-Pits (Post 430812)
BUMPING It Up For the Newbies...


Love this post, Patch!

Patch-O-Pits 05-15-2011 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitbullmamanatl (Post 430866)
Love this post, Patch!

THANKS! :woof:

kodiakgirl 05-16-2011 04:54 AM

Thanks so much for that post! It's definitely going to be helpful for me since I'm going to be getting a puppy in July (chocolate lab, not pit) and I already know what to look for in a puppy, but I am definitely going to use this evaluation since I want to maybe get into some kind of competition with this puppy. I'm going to be there for the whelping (this week hopefully!!) and I know the breeders very well, so I'm going to be spending a lot of time with the puppies as they grow. Do you have any pointers on what to watch for as the pups mature to 8 weeks?

Patch-O-Pits 05-16-2011 10:25 AM

You'll be able to see a lot of changes over the weeks... I personally like a pup that is outgoing and wants to be a people pleaser from the start

kera5 06-27-2011 04:46 PM

great post,very helpful info there.

Patch-O-Pits 07-18-2011 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kera5 (Post 451658)
great post,very helpful info there.

THANKS!:woof:

j/p 09-24-2011 05:12 AM

pups
 
i just joined today i do not have a papered pit bull not even sure if he is pure bread i rescued 10 dogs from the streets 9 2 week old puppies and the mother the mother died 4 days after i picked her and pups up from internal injuries (original owner beat her) and only 3 pups lived vet never figured out what happened to them but 2 got great homes and i kept the runt. the best dog i ever owned and hes only 4 months old now but i have never raised a pit bull before and need all the help (advice) i can get. only thing i know about pitbulls is that i was attacked by 4 of them when i was 6 and been a little scared since but bullett my puppy has changed my attitude about that he is great loveing puppy and highly intelligent he potty traind him self realy and loves all the other dogs and cats i introduce him to. i will put a pic up as soon as i can get on my comp hes supose to be an APBT but idk how to tell the difference between the bullies as i seen on the net and the APBT except pappers any advice will help me

thank you for your time:confused:

hell no they wont go 10-06-2011 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Patch-O-Pits (Post 96522)
Often I see kennels advertising show or working quality pups that are newly born which there is no way to tell if that will be the case so early. You certainly can't look at a couple of week old pup and know much of anything besides that it is cute and its color. You can of course also see if the pup has obvious issues like a tail is kinked, if it has cleft palate.

only thing i have to say is the best way to figure out how a pup so young might turn out is to take a look at how the parents are. that might not help very much at all. but it can help you decide what may b expected.

Patch-O-Pits 02-09-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hell no they wont go (Post 486560)
only thing i have to say is the best way to figure out how a pup so young might turn out is to take a look at how the parents are. that might not help very much at all. but it can help you decide what may b expected.

Actually, that only helps slightly, you'd have to know the bloodline and order inside and out and since within a litter there still can be a wide variety of personalities and temperaments, picking too young and or without knowing how to do an evaluation at the proper is a total crap shoot so to speak.

mredman4 02-12-2012 04:41 AM

can anyone help me identify a puppy i got a puppy from so jerk who did little to care for him but the way he acts doesn't remind me of any pitbull puppy i have seen before


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