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Old 02-16-2009, 02:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Chaining is not cruel. I have seen some owners do it with extremely heavy chains, and that I would not advise. As it is bad for their joints, and pasterns. Plus, in any state you can get introuble with what they refer to as "overchaining".

A good thick chain that is secure, and the right length(10-12 foot long), can be a good way to keep a bulldog. It is way more humane to chain a dog out, rather than crating all day or putting in a small pen. A dog, on a 10 foot chain, has 20 foot to exercise one rather than a tiny kennel or crate.

In the past, I kept several dogs on chains, and it was fine. I did have a parameter fence around it, so that no other animals could get in their chain area. The fence was far enough away, that the dog could not reach it.

I no longer chain dogs, as I have Magnum kennels, with tops. However, I see nothing wrong with it, if done correctly. I also do not like to chain dogs in a yard where children play, as the child can get tangled, and severely injured. Plus, some children will tease the dogs, as they know he can not get to them.

I went to court, on behalf of a guy, who chained his dogs. He had them on the correct length, and weight, and so was cleared of over-chaining.
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A 5\16" chain is too large for any dog and causes unnecessary strain. If you have a problem with your dogs breaking their chain, increase the grade of the chain, not the size of it.

A grade 30, 5\16" chain has a working load limit of 1,900lbs and weighs 0.924lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 9.24lbs.

A grade 43, 1\4" chain has a working load limit of 2,600lbs and weighs 0.65lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 6.5lbs.

A grade 70, 1\4" chain has a working load limit of 3,150lbs and weighs 0.67lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 6.7lbs.

A grade 80, 9\32" chain has a working load limit of 3,500lbs and weighs 0.72lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 7.2lbs.

A grade 100, 9\32" chain has a working load limit of 4,300lbs and weighs 0.72lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 7.2lbs.

The higher the grade, the stronger and more durable the material is. If you buy the chain at a hardware store, it will be marked by grade.

A grade 30 chain is silver in color, grade 43 is a little darker and looks to sparkle, grade 70 is originally a gold color, but after wear, it turns the same color as grade 43, both grade 80 and grade 100 chains are black in color. Depending on the manufacturer, some may be stamped with 3, 30 or 300 for grade 30, 4, 43 or 430 for grade 43, 7, 70 or 700 for grade 70, 8, 80 or 800 for grade 80, 10, 100 or 1000 for grade 100; though many manufacturers do not.

Grade 30 (Proof Coil Chain): General purpose, low carbon steel chain.

Used in a wide range of applications. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 43 (High Test Chain): A high carbon steel chain widely used in industry, construction, agricultural and lumbering operations. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 70 (Transport Chain): A high quality, high strength carbon steel chain used for load securement. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 80 (Alloy Chain): Premium quality, high strength alloy chain, heat treated, used in a variety of sling and tie down applications. For overhead lifting applications, only Alloy Chain should be used.

Grade 100 (Alloy Chain): Premium quality, highest strength alloy chain, heat treated, used in a variety of sling and tie down applications. For overhead lifting applications, only Alloy Chain should be used.
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A 5\16" chain is too large for any dog and causes unnecessary strain. If you have a problem with your dogs breaking their chain, increase the grade of the chain, not the size of it.

A grade 30, 5\16" chain has a working load limit of 1,900lbs and weighs 0.924lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 9.24lbs.

A grade 43, 1\4" chain has a working load limit of 2,600lbs and weighs 0.65lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 6.5lbs.

A grade 70, 1\4" chain has a working load limit of 3,150lbs and weighs 0.67lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 6.7lbs.

A grade 80, 9\32" chain has a working load limit of 3,500lbs and weighs 0.72lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 7.2lbs.

A grade 100, 9\32" chain has a working load limit of 4,300lbs and weighs 0.72lbs per foot. A ten foot chain would weigh 7.2lbs.

The higher the grade, the stronger and more durable the material is. If you buy the chain at a hardware store, it will be marked by grade.

A grade 30 chain is silver in color, grade 43 is a little darker and looks to sparkle, grade 70 is originally a gold color, but after wear, it turns the same color as grade 43, both grade 80 and grade 100 chains are black in color. Depending on the manufacturer, some may be stamped with 3, 30 or 300 for grade 30, 4, 43 or 430 for grade 43, 7, 70 or 700 for grade 70, 8, 80 or 800 for grade 80, 10, 100 or 1000 for grade 100; though many manufacturers do not.

Grade 30 (Proof Coil Chain): General purpose, low carbon steel chain.

Used in a wide range of applications. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 43 (High Test Chain): A high carbon steel chain widely used in industry, construction, agricultural and lumbering operations. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 70 (Transport Chain): A high quality, high strength carbon steel chain used for load securement. Not to be used in overhead lifting.

Grade 80 (Alloy Chain): Premium quality, high strength alloy chain, heat treated, used in a variety of sling and tie down applications. For overhead lifting applications, only Alloy Chain should be used.

Grade 100 (Alloy Chain): Premium quality, highest strength alloy chain, heat treated, used in a variety of sling and tie down applications. For overhead lifting applications, only Alloy Chain should be used.

Interesting read, great post Marty!!
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I agree with Dan, its great to have someone that is very knowledgable.I feel its fine to chain your dog up, but not with a 50lb chain. I think alot of people get carried away with these big ole chains. I dont beleive in chaining a dog up all day without any activity is a good thing to do.Just wanted to shed some light on how i feel about this.thanks for sharing Marty.
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I am going to go to a chain set up once the yard is finished. Right now Bomber is the only one on the chain,its MUCH more secure than the run that they can excape out of it and I think it gives the dog a little more sense of freedom.

They all still get their one on one yard time but chains are just a more secure way to contain a dog. there was an article in our local paper today that two pits got out and killed a boston terrier because someone left the gate open...wouldn't have be a problem if the dogs had been chained.
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The chain properly set up is the most secure hands down, I have had one accident in 3 years and wouldn't you know it was a kennel that she chewed through in a day while I gone. If you are going to use kennels it has to be the magnum kennels only when housing a bulldog. Most kennels are going to be 10X10 and that is a 100 sq. ft. and if you chain a dog on a 10 ft. chain spot multiple ( X ) 3.14 that equals 314 feet of space, so you get more than 3 times the amount of space. Once again it goes back to the owner, the care they receive. I have seen 30 + dog yards with all the dogs been chained and those dogs were happier then any other yard of dogs that I have seen with more 5 dogs. The owner traded a dog everyday to the house, everyday a new house dog, lol. They also had good water, supply, ate the best food, plenty of straw/pine in their houses also add to the mental stability and conditions. Using only 40 grade and better nothing less, the size depends on the dog. I have seen yards with pups on chains with no problems later on in life with bone structure, besides bulldog people, you have good old country boys curs/bird/coon dogs raised like this, sled dog yards have at times 200 plus dogs at one yard, all raised like this also. People have been doing this for a long, long time. If you buy the right equipment, a chain is the most cost effective, secure set up for a dog hands down until you get these POS Peta/HSUS people saying it makes a dog mean and crazy, BS again, no human socialization makes a dog mean, not a secure chain. Dogs need direction and restraint to truly be man's best friend.

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