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Old 11-04-2013, 11:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Oh no don't get me wrong we do take them on several walks, swims, and hikes. But I take them there to socialize them. A couple out here were looking for a pit bull so I found one for them and they never took him places or around other dogs, and unfortunately the dog is not people and dog aggressive. We don't take them up there as often now but when we do if I see an owner not watching after their dogs because they THINK they won't do anything I ask them to leave or go to the other side where they don't have to worry about their dogs biting mine. I have pretty submissive dogs and they are not DA whatsoever but I still keep and eye on them so if anyone tried to say that they attacked first then I have the upper hand whether not my dogs are pit bulls or not. I live on a military base and everyone knows my dogs and knows how sweet they are.but if it came down to it and my dogs ever got out of line I would not take them up there. Guam I'd rabies free and we take them for regular checkups so I'm not afraid that they will contract a disease or anything of that sort. Sorry for the long paragraph!

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It's no secret to anyone who knows me in this industry that I am not a fan of dog parks, and that is putting it nicely. Actually, generally speaking I hate dog parks; I am in no way saying that the way I feel is the one & only way to feel and that everyone should feel that way too (am I ever saying that?), but I am throwing it out there for the record and taking this opportunity to explain myself.

I am laughing right now as I'm writing this, because I'm realizing that it is probably starting to look like I "hate" a lot of things... It's really just Flexi leashes & dog parks... (until next week when I have a whole other topic I forgot about to rant on!) Just kidding, but truly, I'm not a negative person. It's just these hot button issues!

Anyway, allow me to define dog park, in reference to what I am referring to here. A dog park is a fenced piece of property where dog owners get together legally to socialize. Socialize their dogs or socialize themselves? Hmmm.. A topic for discussion indeed. A dog park can also be unfenced, such as the W***** Center in the town over from me, and I much prefer that variety if I have to pick one, because it does, in theory, require owners to have enough control of their canines to let them off the leash without the benefit of the fence containing them. That (AGAIN, in theory) would lend itself to owners having verbal control of their dogs, hence a more advanced level of training in order to keep everyone safe. More on that later.

Whenever you close dogs in, literally or figuratively, tensions run higher. That's a fact, and any trainer worth their weight in salt will tell you the same thing. That applies to animals in general, probably including humans , too. When you close in a bunch of strange dogs (so I am not speaking about a denning scenario here), tensions run higher, meaning, stress levels are higher & dogs are more likely to squabble.

I am NOT saying that it is impossible to use the dog park responsibly. It just never seems to happen. Obviously, I am a professional dog trainer, which means I see the repercussions of this arguable fact walk through my facility's front door all the time. That ALONE will put a bad taste in your mouth eventually for the whole dog park idea in general. It's more than that, though. My main issues with the dog park are as follows, and I am mainly referring to the fenced variety.

People make the mistake all the time of taking their dogs to the dog park FOR exercise. This is a huge mistake. The dog park, if used responsibly, should be what comes AFTER you've taken the edge off your dog WITH physical exercise (and I mean more than the five minutes it takes you to walk from your vehicle to the gate of the dog park). When people use the dog park as their dog's source of physical exercise, what you end up with is a big group of strange dogs closed in together with eight hours or so of pent-up physical energy. That is a recipe for disaster by itself.

I totally disapprove of people who bring their dogs to the dog park with NO recall on their dog. What "no recall" means is that you are unable to reliably call your dog to you (including off of a distraction, up to & including: toys, sticks, people, kids, oh, I dunno, another dog...). I feel like this is often what happens: people bring their dog to a fenced-in dog park BECAUSE they have no recall on their dog. I am NOT accusing every single dog park proponent of this, but I know from experience that this is often the case. What if their is a squabble? Are you able to call your dog to you? If the answer is no, your dog shouldn't be off the leash in this setting.

It is frequently posted (and this varies by park) that children under a certain age aren't allowed there. This is a safety measure that some people don't heed. It is completely irresponsible to have your 13 year old child handling your dog in a dog park. I just want to say that out loud for the record, and AGAIN, that does not mean that I think every single human being that has ever visited a dog park is guilty of this infraction.

Also, and I have had multiple clients pick up on this after I mention it & reaffirm it, because it happens ALL the time. People frequently bring their dogs to the park, and then sit there with their coffees, phones, even LAP TOPS, fill in the blank, and aren't even watching as their dogs are off riding each other in the distance... Again, I am NOT accusing every single dog park user of this, but who can deny it happens with frequency? Any time dog owners are totally oblivious to their dogs' behavior, I take issue. Especially in this type of scenario, people miss the little red flags that prelude an actual fight, and when you miss those, all you see is the explosion, and then it's the classic "out of the blue!" (which, for the record, is bullsh*t, baring a brain tumor or neurological disorder; it's never "out of the blue." YOU just didn't see it coming.. especially if you were on your IPhone.)

There are no checks and balances at most (not ALL) dog parks. There is no one standing there with a clip board making sure your dog is vaccinated & healthy. Anybody, theoretically, can bring anything in there and no one is ever the wiser... until somebody gets sick. This is another reason not to bring dogs you've had for a matter of DAYS to the dog park... more on that in a few paragraphs. Of COURSE there are signs posted that your dog must be vaccinated, and many require licenses, but as anybody that's ever been to one can attest to, people frequently ignore every single thing that sign says. This becomes an even greater problem when lazy (or oblivious) owners don't clean up after their pets. It simply isn't the same as an indoor facility that is cleaned & sterilized at the end of the night. Does anybody remember all the circulating facebook posts of razor blades in cheese cubes and poisonous treats turning up in dog parks (and canine GI tracks)? Dog parks are frequented by many MANY dogs owned by irresponsible people (they are like moths to a flame when it comes to dog parks), and not everybody appreciates our beloved pets as much as we do... People with bad intentions (as evidenced above) are attracted to dog parks for the purpose of targeting dog owners in general, and it happens more often than you think.

People also do not realize - and this isn't exclusively "dog park people" - that canine behavior (and attitudes) change as dogs mature. That is not negative or positive. It just IS. Just because a young dog (1-2 years old even) is super tolerant of other dogs (or certain behaviors) does not mean that is going to stay that way, even if you, as an owner, change NOTHING. It does not surprise me in the LEAST when I get this phone call:

"All of a sudden, my dog doesn't seem to like other dogs.. He has started getting in fights at the park" to which I usually say, "Ok, how old is he? 18 months? 2? 3? 4?" There is nothing surprising about this to me, because I know that maturity is a factor, but dog owners in general are baffled by this. (I am in no way, shape, or form saying that maturing is an excuse for bad behavior; it isn't. But it should provide a little bit of insight. Are we the same people we were at 13? 17? 23 years old? Hope not... (Thank GAWD in my case! And just because your dog was acting a certain way, or deferring to certain dogs, or tolerating certain behaviors, at 8 months old, doesn't mean this is going to stay that way, regardless of whether or not you change anything. Make sense?)

Now, this is not directed at any one person or organization. This is a general statement I am making, I am being completely honest, I stand behind it 100% and here it is: it is ASININE to me that people fostering dogs bring their foster dogs to the dog park, some within 48 hours of HAVING the dog. This is why: first of all, until a dog is adopted & released to the adopter, the rescue organization in charge of that dog is responsible and liable for that dog. IF there is an incident, whether or not the foster dog "started" it, if a bystander is bit in the process of breaking up a fight or any similar altercation, the rescue organization is liable for that. As one can plainly see, this is a terrible (and UNNECESSARY) position for a shelter/rescue organization to be in, a lawsuit waiting to happen, and in the cases where it has happened (and it does), the whole thing is completely preventable by being responsible and NOT bringing your foster dog to the dog park.

Beyond the liability factor, foster (and adopted) dogs take some time to adjust and "show their true colors." You couldn't possibly ascertain within 48 hours that your foster (or new) dog will be "fine" at the dog park. By bringing your brand-spanking-new adoptee or foster to the dog park, you are unnecessarily putting others at risk. You DON'T know what the dog's background is or how it will react in a given situation. You couldn't possibly know how it will respond because you can't possibly know the dog in that time frame, nor have you built a relationship where you have reliable control of that dog. Bringing a brand new dog or foster dog to the dog park demonstrates a total lack of knowledge to me. Lack of knowledge huge crime? No. But then again, if you are going to put yourself and your dog(s) in that position, you have the responsibility to GAIN the knowledge to know that isn't a good idea. It certainly isn't setting the dog up for success.

I am all for dog-on-dog socialization. It is not that I don't think dogs should have that, because I totally do. I think there are much smarter ways of going about it than to try your luck on any given day at the dog park. It can be a chore, but finding a responsible, reputable doggie-daycare can be a great option. I stress the "responsible, reputable" part, which will require some research. There are also great groups on Meetup.com for dog owners to socialize their dogs. Group training classes are a great place to start & make some friends, for you AND your dog. My dogs socialize with other dogs all the time... We meet up with friends (human & canine), take training classes (socialization doesn't always mean wrestling), they go, on occasion, to a reputable daycare that I totally trust, and the best: I train my dogs to a degree that I can have them hike with me off leash and we hang with like-minded folks (and dogs) who do the same. (People frequently say right here "Well, I don't KNOW any other dog owners like that." Sign up for a cool training class and you will. Meetup.com, again, is a great resource as well, although all groups cannot be created equal.)

In short, as you can see, I am NOT a dog park fan, and I don't utilize them with my own dogs. I have no idea why people place such an emphasis on having to have their dogs go to them, for all the reasons I cited above. I definitely will acknowledge that it's not impossible to use them responsibly, but by design, they don't lend themselves to responsible dog ownership, and there are a million other ways to socialize your dog. I won't begrudge anyone a good time that IS able to use the dog park responsibly, but I can't think of an instance I'd ever put my dogs in that situation, and I guess I have to say, I would never put my stamp of approval on one. Again, I'll reiterate one more time, I am NOT saying that everyone who goes to the dog park is the caliber person I described in this article, but you'd be the exception and not the rule.
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glad you go to many areas. Its actually a REALLY bad place to socialize a dog, they will learn horrible manners and as your dog grows its really not worth the risk. read this is you have a minute: Ask Me How I Feel About Dog Parks.* (Here it comes.) - Higher Expectations (HEX) Dog Training & Behavior Modification

It's no secret to anyone who knows me in this industry that I am not a fan of dog parks, and that is putting it nicely. Actually, generally speaking I hate dog parks; I am in no way saying that the way I feel is the one & only way to feel and that everyone should feel that way too (am I ever saying that?), but I am throwing it out there for the record and taking this opportunity to explain myself.

I am laughing right now as I'm writing this, because I'm realizing that it is probably starting to look like I "hate" a lot of things... It's really just Flexi leashes & dog parks... (until next week when I have a whole other topic I forgot about to rant on!) Just kidding, but truly, I'm not a negative person. It's just these hot button issues!

Anyway, allow me to define dog park, in reference to what I am referring to here. A dog park is a fenced piece of property where dog owners get together legally to socialize. Socialize their dogs or socialize themselves? Hmmm.. A topic for discussion indeed. A dog park can also be unfenced, such as the W***** Center in the town over from me, and I much prefer that variety if I have to pick one, because it does, in theory, require owners to have enough control of their canines to let them off the leash without the benefit of the fence containing them. That (AGAIN, in theory) would lend itself to owners having verbal control of their dogs, hence a more advanced level of training in order to keep everyone safe. More on that later.

Whenever you close dogs in, literally or figuratively, tensions run higher. That's a fact, and any trainer worth their weight in salt will tell you the same thing. That applies to animals in general, probably including humans , too. When you close in a bunch of strange dogs (so I am not speaking about a denning scenario here), tensions run higher, meaning, stress levels are higher & dogs are more likely to squabble.

I am NOT saying that it is impossible to use the dog park responsibly. It just never seems to happen. Obviously, I am a professional dog trainer, which means I see the repercussions of this arguable fact walk through my facility's front door all the time. That ALONE will put a bad taste in your mouth eventually for the whole dog park idea in general. It's more than that, though. My main issues with the dog park are as follows, and I am mainly referring to the fenced variety.

People make the mistake all the time of taking their dogs to the dog park FOR exercise. This is a huge mistake. The dog park, if used responsibly, should be what comes AFTER you've taken the edge off your dog WITH physical exercise (and I mean more than the five minutes it takes you to walk from your vehicle to the gate of the dog park). When people use the dog park as their dog's source of physical exercise, what you end up with is a big group of strange dogs closed in together with eight hours or so of pent-up physical energy. That is a recipe for disaster by itself.

I totally disapprove of people who bring their dogs to the dog park with NO recall on their dog. What "no recall" means is that you are unable to reliably call your dog to you (including off of a distraction, up to & including: toys, sticks, people, kids, oh, I dunno, another dog...). I feel like this is often what happens: people bring their dog to a fenced-in dog park BECAUSE they have no recall on their dog. I am NOT accusing every single dog park proponent of this, but I know from experience that this is often the case. What if their is a squabble? Are you able to call your dog to you? If the answer is no, your dog shouldn't be off the leash in this setting.

It is frequently posted (and this varies by park) that children under a certain age aren't allowed there. This is a safety measure that some people don't heed. It is completely irresponsible to have your 13 year old child handling your dog in a dog park. I just want to say that out loud for the record, and AGAIN, that does not mean that I think every single human being that has ever visited a dog park is guilty of this infraction.

Also, and I have had multiple clients pick up on this after I mention it & reaffirm it, because it happens ALL the time. People frequently bring their dogs to the park, and then sit there with their coffees, phones, even LAP TOPS, fill in the blank, and aren't even watching as their dogs are off riding each other in the distance... Again, I am NOT accusing every single dog park user of this, but who can deny it happens with frequency? Any time dog owners are totally oblivious to their dogs' behavior, I take issue. Especially in this type of scenario, people miss the little red flags that prelude an actual fight, and when you miss those, all you see is the explosion, and then it's the classic "out of the blue!" (which, for the record, is bullsh*t, baring a brain tumor or neurological disorder; it's never "out of the blue." YOU just didn't see it coming.. especially if you were on your IPhone.)

There are no checks and balances at most (not ALL) dog parks. There is no one standing there with a clip board making sure your dog is vaccinated & healthy. Anybody, theoretically, can bring anything in there and no one is ever the wiser... until somebody gets sick. This is another reason not to bring dogs you've had for a matter of DAYS to the dog park... more on that in a few paragraphs. Of COURSE there are signs posted that your dog must be vaccinated, and many require licenses, but as anybody that's ever been to one can attest to, people frequently ignore every single thing that sign says. This becomes an even greater problem when lazy (or oblivious) owners don't clean up after their pets. It simply isn't the same as an indoor facility that is cleaned & sterilized at the end of the night. Does anybody remember all the circulating facebook posts of razor blades in cheese cubes and poisonous treats turning up in dog parks (and canine GI tracks)? Dog parks are frequented by many MANY dogs owned by irresponsible people (they are like moths to a flame when it comes to dog parks), and not everybody appreciates our beloved pets as much as we do... People with bad intentions (as evidenced above) are attracted to dog parks for the purpose of targeting dog owners in general, and it happens more often than you think.

People also do not realize - and this isn't exclusively "dog park people" - that canine behavior (and attitudes) change as dogs mature. That is not negative or positive. It just IS. Just because a young dog (1-2 years old even) is super tolerant of other dogs (or certain behaviors) does not mean that is going to stay that way, even if you, as an owner, change NOTHING. It does not surprise me in the LEAST when I get this phone call:

"All of a sudden, my dog doesn't seem to like other dogs.. He has started getting in fights at the park" to which I usually say, "Ok, how old is he? 18 months? 2? 3? 4?" There is nothing surprising about this to me, because I know that maturity is a factor, but dog owners in general are baffled by this. (I am in no way, shape, or form saying that maturing is an excuse for bad behavior; it isn't. But it should provide a little bit of insight. Are we the same people we were at 13? 17? 23 years old? Hope not... (Thank GAWD in my case! And just because your dog was acting a certain way, or deferring to certain dogs, or tolerating certain behaviors, at 8 months old, doesn't mean this is going to stay that way, regardless of whether or not you change anything. Make sense?)

Now, this is not directed at any one person or organization. This is a general statement I am making, I am being completely honest, I stand behind it 100% and here it is: it is ASININE to me that people fostering dogs bring their foster dogs to the dog park, some within 48 hours of HAVING the dog. This is why: first of all, until a dog is adopted & released to the adopter, the rescue organization in charge of that dog is responsible and liable for that dog. IF there is an incident, whether or not the foster dog "started" it, if a bystander is bit in the process of breaking up a fight or any similar altercation, the rescue organization is liable for that. As one can plainly see, this is a terrible (and UNNECESSARY) position for a shelter/rescue organization to be in, a lawsuit waiting to happen, and in the cases where it has happened (and it does), the whole thing is completely preventable by being responsible and NOT bringing your foster dog to the dog park.

Beyond the liability factor, foster (and adopted) dogs take some time to adjust and "show their true colors." You couldn't possibly ascertain within 48 hours that your foster (or new) dog will be "fine" at the dog park. By bringing your brand-spanking-new adoptee or foster to the dog park, you are unnecessarily putting others at risk. You DON'T know what the dog's background is or how it will react in a given situation. You couldn't possibly know how it will respond because you can't possibly know the dog in that time frame, nor have you built a relationship where you have reliable control of that dog. Bringing a brand new dog or foster dog to the dog park demonstrates a total lack of knowledge to me. Lack of knowledge huge crime? No. But then again, if you are going to put yourself and your dog(s) in that position, you have the responsibility to GAIN the knowledge to know that isn't a good idea. It certainly isn't setting the dog up for success.

I am all for dog-on-dog socialization. It is not that I don't think dogs should have that, because I totally do. I think there are much smarter ways of going about it than to try your luck on any given day at the dog park. It can be a chore, but finding a responsible, reputable doggie-daycare can be a great option. I stress the "responsible, reputable" part, which will require some research. There are also great groups on Meetup.com for dog owners to socialize their dogs. Group training classes are a great place to start & make some friends, for you AND your dog. My dogs socialize with other dogs all the time... We meet up with friends (human & canine), take training classes (socialization doesn't always mean wrestling), they go, on occasion, to a reputable daycare that I totally trust, and the best: I train my dogs to a degree that I can have them hike with me off leash and we hang with like-minded folks (and dogs) who do the same. (People frequently say right here "Well, I don't KNOW any other dog owners like that." Sign up for a cool training class and you will. Meetup.com, again, is a great resource as well, although all groups cannot be created equal.)

In short, as you can see, I am NOT a dog park fan, and I don't utilize them with my own dogs. I have no idea why people place such an emphasis on having to have their dogs go to them, for all the reasons I cited above. I definitely will acknowledge that it's not impossible to use them responsibly, but by design, they don't lend themselves to responsible dog ownership, and there are a million other ways to socialize your dog. I won't begrudge anyone a good time that IS able to use the dog park responsibly, but I can't think of an instance I'd ever put my dogs in that situation, and I guess I have to say, I would never put my stamp of approval on one. Again, I'll reiterate one more time, I am NOT saying that everyone who goes to the dog park is the caliber person I described in this article, but you'd be the exception and not the rule.
Holy moly that's a lot of typing. You did have some very good points. I am in no way a dog trainer but my older dog Maggie does recall very well. I mainly use the dog park for training on the agility course that we have out here, and socialization. She knows the whole course and if there is another dog up at the park with us they usually see that we have pit bulls and go to the other side which really irritates me. We have a select few that we let her play with but mostly all are trained very well. We don't exactly have those kind of resources in Guam to be able too hold group training sessions and I'm sure not going to take my dog out in town with all the other grungy Guam boonies they have roaming around. I do understand where your coming from and will consider your opinion on taking my dogs to the park. And even when we do go there is hardly ever anyone up there cause they are pretty lazy out here. We have one dog trainer and he really sucks. Just wish we had more trainers who knew what they were talking about instead of throwing a chain link and your dogs feet

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No dog parks for us anymore....I have had Max for a year used to go to the dog park regularly and didn't have problems, well except that people are stupid and the dogs are untrained...Then one day another pitbull was at the park, both dogs were getting along just fine, until the other dog bit mine in the face...and he sent her to the hospital...Was it his fault, I say no...but of course the other "owner" (he wasn't her owner) was screaming at the two dogs making it worse instead of better..luckily she got just a few stitches and max had a few puncture wounds...but that was enough for me to realize dog parks are just not worth it... too much can happen in too little time and I just don't know enough about body language to see what might be happening, nevermind the really clueless other people who aren't even watching or listening...I at least watched and listened, might not know the subtle body language, but I do know when Max has had enough and when he is just too excited, I know my dog, but when there are 10 dogs in a park and 5 of the owners aren't even paying attention to theirs, it will always be the pitbull who gets blamed. I our case where it was two pitbulls, they ended up both looking bad, but no one cared because well they were both those kind of dogs... even though both owners were horrified at the situation and one owner decided it was not good to even set them up for failure and stopped the madness..the other dog still goes to the park..oh well, can't fix everyone!!
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Holy moly that's a lot of typing. You did have some very good points. I am in no way a dog trainer but my older dog Maggie does recall very well. I mainly use the dog park for training on the agility course that we have out here, and socialization. She knows the whole course and if there is another dog up at the park with us they usually see that we have pit bulls and go to the other side which really irritates me. We have a select few that we let her play with but mostly all are trained very well. We don't exactly have those kind of resources in Guam to be able too hold group training sessions and I'm sure not going to take my dog out in town with all the other grungy Guam boonies they have roaming around. I do understand where your coming from and will consider your opinion on taking my dogs to the park. And even when we do go there is hardly ever anyone up there cause they are pretty lazy out here. We have one dog trainer and he really sucks. Just wish we had more trainers who knew what they were talking about instead of throwing a chain link and your dogs feet

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Holy moly that's a lot of typing. You did have some very good points. I am in no way a dog trainer but my older dog Maggie does recall very well. I mainly use the dog park for training on the agility course that we have out here, and socialization. She knows the whole course and if there is another dog up at the park with us they usually see that we have pit bulls and go to the other side which really irritates me. We have a select few that we let her play with but mostly all are trained very well. We don't exactly have those kind of resources in Guam to be able too hold group training sessions and I'm sure not going to take my dog out in town with all the other grungy Guam boonies they have roaming around. I do understand where your coming from and will consider your opinion on taking my dogs to the park. And even when we do go there is hardly ever anyone up there cause they are pretty lazy out here. We have one dog trainer and he really sucks. Just wish we had more trainers who knew what they were talking about instead of throwing a chain link and your dogs feet

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Wow yeah that sounds horrible. I wish you had more trainers than what you're describing as well. Are you able to look into groups to meet up so at least you know the owners. Not sure of Guam is like the US in regards to stupid laws. That's where I am coming from girl. So if it doesn't apply them my apologies and I hope more people become trainers by you. That's horrible to not have people who can help.


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Old 11-06-2013, 10:32 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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Are boonie dogs that big of a problem in Guam? The neighbor brought 2 home last time he was stationed there. Pretty awesome dogs for being ferrel previously
Boonies aren't a huge problem but the dogs that do not have home are there are hundreds that roam the streets and have all kinds of diseases. But for the most part people out here really don't care for their dogs like they should, out in town I mean not on the base

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Old 11-06-2013, 10:38 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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Wow yeah that sounds horrible. I wish you had more trainers than what you're describing as well. Are you able to look into groups to meet up so at least you know the owners. Not sure of Guam is like the US in regards to stupid laws. That's where I am coming from girl. So if it doesn't apply them my apologies and I hope more people become trainers by you. That's horrible to not have people who can help.


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I have tried to look into some group training but the guy that is the main trainer out here uses a technique that I have seen for many dogs that doesn't work. So I take it upon myself to train my dogs, I'm not professional but my dogs are pretty well trained. And they have another option of taking and dropping your dog off and have the trainer work with them but I prefer to work with my dog myself. It does really suck that we don't have any reputable trainers but we are flying back in 4 months so I'm hoping to find a good trainer in Cali at our next duty station!

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Old 02-06-2014, 02:46 PM   #38 (permalink)
 

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Last time I went to a dog park I almost got arrested, my dog is super playful and submissive but of course not all dogs are like that so that said my dog was playing around with an older pit, mind you mine is 5 months at the time. So they start running around and growling every once in a while when they started nibbling each others ears and this one guy comes and kicks my dog 3 times, so I push him and this whole thing broke loose and of course people called the cops and I was really about to whoop his ass! Now that said he wasn't even a dog owner at the park he was just there with his friend and his girlfriend, it was his first time ever coming to a dog park.


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Old 03-23-2014, 01:02 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I wouldn't bring my dog to a dog park, EVER. Heck, I have enough problems with the stray dogs around my neighborhood. A park full of dogs and possibly owners who can't/won't control them is the last thing I need.
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Old 03-23-2014, 05:32 AM   #40 (permalink)
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No dog parks for us Little dogs scare the heck out of my girl she will tuck tail and run thinking they are pups. \Aggressive one's are not tolerated, you have to be layed back and chilled for maggs to feel comfortable
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This is a really helpful thread - we live in a very small rural town and it has a beautiful off-leash area for dogs. I've always wanted to take Bam Bam there but this thread has made me realise he is not missing out by not running around with those other dogs. I guess this is my way of telling the city council I don't want to be invited to their stupid party anyway! Bam Bam is classified as a menacing breed in NZ, and also as a dangerous breed, so he is A: not allowed off-leash off his registered property, and B: meant to wear a muzzle in public. So instead of dog parks and walks around town, we run around on our neighbours farm in the paddocks that don't have livestock. Thank god for good neighbours!
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Just want to add that despite Bam Bam being classified as menacing and dangerous, my friend adopted one of the littermates and registered her as a sharpei cross. I should have been quicker thinking at registration time lol
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Just want to add that despite Bam Bam being classified as menacing and dangerous, my friend adopted one of the littermates and registered her as a sharpei cross. I should have been quicker thinking at registration time lol

Haha right! Who knows! Glad the breeds aren't banned, restrictions suck but at least you can enjoy your pup. And glad you realize your pup isn't missing out in anything! Dogs can still be dogs while leashed or controlled.


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I do dog parks... no issues. dogs should play!
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I do dog parks but watch who and what dogs are there. Some are breed phobic.


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