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Old 03-22-2013, 05:21 AM   #226 (permalink)
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:36 AM   #227 (permalink)
 

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I'm confused, what are you referencing as a game dog because I've always been under the impression your using your animal for hunting, in our area hog Hunting with pits is especially popular. Will someone please clarify?


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Hunting doesn't make a dog game. The only way to game test a dog is in the [] so unless that's what your doing your dogs aren't game. A gamedog and a game bred dog are two different things as well. I think your just confused as many are. Many people mistake drive for gameness. They are not one in the same.



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Old 03-22-2013, 05:05 PM   #229 (permalink)
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I have blue game dogs in the weight range of 35 to 55 lbs dont know how to post pics but will email pups coming late in the year...

What exactly makes you think these dogs are game? Do you know the true definition of gameness as it varies for one dog man or woman to another? Just because your dogs are within standard doesn't mean that they are in fact game. I have had many blue dogs that were pit dog weight but that doesn't mean their game or even game bred. There is a possibility you have game bred blue but, just because its game BRED doesn't constitute the same as being game. True gameness is only tested in the [] by most everyone's personal view.


The following is only my personal view not to be misconstrued with truth.

Catch dogs are often said to be game. Can they be game? Yes. Are they all game because they'll hunt? NO. Why because depending on how they hunt is how much you know the dog will take. A dog that hunts alone(which is not typical) you can see what that dog is really made of but, one hunting as a pack no you don't see what that dog is made of at all. They may be willing to catch that hog but, willingness or heart does not equal gameness. Most catches go quick and you don't know how much that dog truly would indure. This is why the [] is the only way to test REAL gameness. Although IMO a dog willing to go against a 1000 lb. boar has enough courage in my eyes to be worth something.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #230 (permalink)
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All youd have to do is see Stan and Myselfs conversations pertaining to game and what constitutes as test and results.. Particularly when it comes to hunting or Guard.. These are not conventional methods by any means however there are unique circumstances that can arise, especially if your going after animals that WILL kill the dog vs continue to flea..

Game and what it means, definition is VERY straight forward and everyone can have opinions but the answers of which are VERY straight forward in itself.

As to being proven to be called an American Pit Bull Terrier, there is only ONE method of which to test and that is the fundamental backbone instilled, foundation of which the animal exists.

Gameness is NOT limited to the box as many WANT to believe, IT IS limited in regards to the APBT.. NOT in definition and trait.

It has ALL been said, hell on this very thread as well. Eyes and ears open or shut, that is a choice for yourself to decide.
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What KM is saying: Game originated not in the box but by hunting wild and feral game.

THe Scientific method of proven game by coonass rules does just that proves game.. proven.. for it was scientifically done.

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Game bred is breeding for game; and the very needed and legal ventures of protecting land with predator and vermin control (pigs included) along with legal hunts of both so said animal groups then your gonna need dogs bred for game to catch and dispatch wild game. You really think not? I'd say there is a certain hog hunter of OFRN stature and its safe to say his dogs are getting gamer. As he selects smart game dogs to wrangle those 250lbs feral hogs and eurasian razorbacks. THEY AINT NO JOKE.. In Okla it was legal to box test a dog against a hog as long as ACO was there to monitor the whole thing. Dunno about now but I can assure you a wild razorback or feral mean hog will LOVE to attack and kill a dog, SO you need to test stock against that so you know they are game enough to handle it. Game terriers such as traditional patterdales, and deckels (real dacshunds or badger dogs) are so much like so called Pitbulls or APBTS themselves because of game.. its a gene that conformation follows no matter which dog you pick if your breeding for game they will have a very similar genetic state as well.
Field test game bred dog is what that would be.. Working is game a bulldog cant work a ranch without being game. That texan developing his own cattle dogs are become very bulldog like because of stock origin of course among his mutts but more because he's picking the game dogs to manage the wild texas cattle herds.

Dogs can be bred to be game, they can be worked on wild and unruly game in the field and proven themselvs as catch or wild game dogs or dogs of prey and they can be proven game in the [] by all scientific standards. But notice to endure a whirlwind from wild and unruly game a dog must be game to an extent and in that itself is proven stock.
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What exactly makes you think these dogs are game? Do you know the true definition of gameness as it varies for one dog man or woman to another? Just because your dogs are within standard doesn't mean that they are in fact game. I have had many blue dogs that were pit dog weight but that doesn't mean their game or even game bred. There is a possibility you have game bred blue but, just because its game BRED doesn't constitute the same as being game. True gameness is only tested in the [] by most everyone's personal view.


The following is only my personal view not to be misconstrued with truth.

Catch dogs are often said to be game. Can they be game? Yes. Are they all game because they'll hunt? NO. Why because depending on how they hunt is how much you know the dog will take. A dog that hunts alone(which is not typical) you can see what that dog is really made of but, one hunting as a pack no you don't see what that dog is made of at all. They may be willing to catch that hog but, willingness or heart does not equal gameness. Most catches go quick and you don't know how much that dog truly would indure. This is why the [] is the only way to test REAL gameness. Although IMO a dog willing to go against a 1000 lb. boar has enough courage in my eyes to be worth something.

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Old 04-25-2013, 09:00 PM   #233 (permalink)
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As far as blue APBT's dogs being sucessful in the box, Id say no. As far as making decent catch dogs in that sense of "gameness" there are a tons
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What KM is saying: Game originated not in the box but by hunting wild and feral game.

THe Scientific method of proven game by coonass rules does just that proves game.. proven.. for it was scientifically done.
How'd you know that word? "coonass" I thought we coonasses just said that here about ourselves?
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:34 PM   #235 (permalink)
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i dont know how to prove or disprove this one but it popped up on one of my FB groups claimin to be a blue game dog.... definitively game bred. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [461326] :: BLUE EVE
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:49 PM   #236 (permalink)
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Yeah seen her before, maybe GD.. ?? hmm.. Impresseive I know .. Like to see her parents.. all her granparents are blk blk.. no dilluted pigment.. she has a gr gran with seal look like KG's Doja.. Usually that sort of blue doesnt pop up out of two blk dogs without some sort of red dillute mutated black gene thus blue. .. She is almost entirely built up off of Ganjas Black Magic so the mutated dillute is possible, but again you need a red dog somewhere..
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If it is as simple as a dilute of black. Then where are all these gamebred blues? I understand genetics and know it is possible with roosters and happens often but have yet to see it in gamedogs. With all the thousands of black dogs bred every year you would think that the defenders of the "blue" color would offer more proof than the standard generic phrase " It's just a dilute of black" or post a link to the Mexican dog "Bellon's CH Soga" as a claim to fame that there are such things as Unicorns.
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^^^^^^ hahaha aint that the truth.... funny all these "game" blue dogs always seem to have an am staff hid in the ped....
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Sweeet! He thinks Im defending blue.. .. not quite.. There are two types of blue.. BLUE the obvious which is a diluted hair type. Then there is white red and black hairs all mixed at one degree or the other forming the grey look or blue color. NOW there is Seal which is the original blue dog as the first registered blue dog was Colorados IMPII which was SEAL. .. What we know as blue .. Came from STAFF and Carver. Carver worked with Swinford. And I had a solid white blue nosed Carver boudreaux dog. Big rough cur 85lbs. ONLINE PEDIGREES - Access Denied inbred this dog back into his offspring sired into close relatives. .. NOW those game blue dogs just pop up as said .. the reason is because of a diluted hair gene or because the hair is mixed and "Looks" blue. .. Seal is Seal and can reflect blue or red. Black with NO red dilute reflects silver or blue. just like in Human hair, and horse hair.
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I just had to throw out what we all know about lots of those blue dogs
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