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Old 11-04-2010, 06:04 AM   #31 (permalink)
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this topic has been beaten to death... that dog is not BLUE as the BLUE dogs of RE/Gotti or even the bright blue watchdog out of Chaos.. That dog is SLATE BLUE much like the dog of kg. That is not a BLUE dog in the sense.. ITS THE LACK OF intuition or just general knowledge that the game slate blue dogs are black reflecting blue and or red. BLACK is a form of RED in the genetic code, so when the hairs reflect blue its refered to in the APBTs as slate blue or slate black. This dog also has no pictures to show the parents of any of the first four CHs, yeah sometimes this happens, however there are pictures of the proven boudreaux dogs that go all the way back with pics and ALOT of stolen dog go to mexico to be rung. Just sayin. There are also a good deal of honest dogs with peds and pics that go all the way back some that are SLATE BLUE and are mexican dogs out of Neverez Kennels producing Jeep/RedboyJocko dogs that are caliber to whites KA line. HOWEVER THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING BLUE DOGS.. the colors are not the same and should not be confused, however people hear or say blue from slang and well there it is. They look like some good little dogs but the peds are sketchy JMO I can follow dogs back to the friggin early 1900s yeah of course Adams and the early Boudreaux dogs have pics but the rest of those dogs, well... Opinions vary

(@ OFK haha you already know, that was the silent sarcasm. The dog I had was supposed to be game, LOL, an all white blue nose with almost a pure Boudreaux ped with some blank spots just like the dog peds you've shown. The difference is that dog got neutered and papers void. Not even goin there. your right I do know that I didn't know what I do know now, that dog wasn't game and all fighting dogs aren't game. Thats that rare quality that makes the APBT distinguished, game dogs are only found in the APBT genepool, and don't mess with the formula the founders set. )

JMO the best dogs out there are the few heavy bred Jocko light on the redboy dogs out there. There are others I favor the true bred Zebo dogs crossed right with boudreaux, sorrels, halls and what not.. Wildside done some good mixing em up, but they never bred to have a line of blue game dogs. THAT is a foolish idea..
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this topic has been beaten to death... that dog is not BLUE as the BLUE dogs of RE/Gotti or even the bright blue watchdog out of Chaos.. That dog is SLATE BLUE much like the dog of kg. That is not a BLUE dog in the sense..

I can't believe what I am actually reading right now

Blue is Blue genetically that's what they are referred to call it slate blue, grey, grey blue whatever makes you happy they all come from black dogs genetically blue dogs are black dogs because of dilution they will very in shade some are dark almost black some are super light blue the lighter they are is almost always from over diluting breeding blue on blue over and over and over again which you commonly see with many bully breeder's and in many bully bloodlines. I don't care if this bulldog is sh*t blue with with light blue spots on it... it's still a blue bulldog who earned her GR CH title in the box like any other proven game dog. The bellon dog's are the real deal my friend all you have to do is ask around know one is going to deny this dog or the bellon club dogs they produce some exceptional box dogs and soga was a very game bitch anyone who knows anything about bulldogs know's who this dog is .... I promise you that and the whole line doesn't produce blue dogs a lot of them are red and black sh*t happens the dog was born blue some of her pups were blue 2 of them to be exact one was a man eater and was put down... there is nothing strange about it happens from time to time enough said it's even more rare when they possess gameness . This blue bulldog comes from hard tested and proven game dogs no staff or bully blood up in this bitch like it or not it's a FACT regardless of your opinions. I am not even talking about watchdog and TNT because IMO those lines are NOT game lines. There are no BLUE game line's there are blue game dogs(rare but it happen's) within game lines. We are talking about blue game dogs from REAL game lines that come from REAL proven bulldogs and Soga is one of them.

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Here you go all you need to know about the bellon dog's and the only reason why soga has some unknown's in her pedigree is because her owner didn't enter her ped online someone else did and didn't know some of the dogs names but her ped is not unknown just have to know who to ask

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Old 11-04-2010, 12:48 PM   #34 (permalink)
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laymans terms, or slang terms, or street lingo has changed the meaning from the meaning being inferred different and different minds with different associations, however the reality is that the slate blue dogs have been mixed into the blue dogs and its all in the wash. I haven't had anything that wasn't game bred or supposed to be game bred, and no blue dog has surpassed the jocko/redboy greats, or the Zebo greats who also have slate blue dogs pop up here and there, but thats just genetics. Its like taking the big mastiff sized blue dogs and breeding them down to 30-40 lbs true to size and form but a long way to go to be game. There are pure RE dogs still lookn like 35lbs apbts but they ARE NOT GAME BRED nor are they game. ITS KINDA LIKE HOW some of the game dogs Stbenedicts has shown in the 70's and 80's MOST people I've shown pics of early Stbenedicts dogs on the chain or at the show assume they are bullys, LOL way before bully was and unlike bully dogs we know Stbenedict has game bred stuff; but people insist they are bullies. But hey if you can teach me somthing these old men haven't, all ears.. rather all eyes..

I had a pic of this dog while at show after his wins, however I cannot find it now, it looked similar to Kg's doja but more like crenshaws gimpy. The lightner blue dogs are not the same as the blue dogs that appear out of nowhere bearing Carver, Watchdog, and other paperwork. Thats (paper ringin) why the founders of the line required 2w before the dog could be a bonafide APBT before that its just registered as an APBT it is not a proven dog By the way imp II lost to Halls Searcy Jeff, also of lightner decent, in Oklahoma back in the day.. Thats my 2cents stick a fork in it I'm done.
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Faith is good looking girl. All these blue dogs are in a superious shape and lean. And correct regarding standard, sounds like game to me.
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Standard has little to nothing to do with "gameness". Trust me, give an old dogman a dead game dog, clean out of standard, and they will take it.
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Faith is good looking girl. All these blue dogs are in a superious shape and lean. And correct regarding standard, sounds like game to me.
Faith is gorgeous I will give her that and is very well conditioned, but is nothing close to a gamebred or game dog lol..

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THIS DOG IS EXTREMELY GAME AND HE IS THE ONLY BLUE THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT IS GAME and correct .
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I've seen a few nice blues, a couple game bred but most were not. There were some crossed with game lines but still had staff/bully in the ped. I fostered a couple so don't know their background but they were standard type. One o guess was jeep/rascal/razoredge likely because of the kennel that had supposedly bred him. The other anyone's guess, nice lean, muscular 45lbs with lots of drive and energy.

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this topic has been beaten to death... that dog is not BLUE as the BLUE dogs of RE/Gotti or even the bright blue watchdog out of Chaos.. That dog is SLATE BLUE much like the dog of kg. That is not a BLUE dog in the sense.. ITS THE LACK OF intuition or just general knowledge that the game slate blue dogs are black reflecting blue and or red. BLACK is a form of RED in the genetic code, so when the hairs reflect blue its refered to in the APBTs as slate blue or slate black.
Black is not a form of red. Black is black, red is red. Black is not genetically a form of red. They are not even on the same locus. (Recessive black and red are both at the a locus but our breed doesn't carry recessive black, only a few breeds do.) The basis make up of most dogs is either red OR black, in the APBT red or black is the basis of most colors we see. Black is dominant over red and is located at the K locus. A dog get 1 allele for color from each parent.

A blue no matter WHAT SHADE has a copy of the dilution from each parent. It will have a blue or gray coat. Dilution turns black blue/gray. A black dog blue, fawn blue fawn, if they are a tan point blue and tan, if they have a allele for brindle blue brindle, a smut/shaded sable will be shaded with blue (all with blue nose, eye rims, ect). Just the same as liver turns black brown, a black dog will be chocolate, a tan point chocolate and tan, fawn will have red tipped hairs and mask if they have a mask gene, brindle chocolate brindle, smut will have the darker red / brown shading (all with red nose, lips, eye rims, ect).

There are no genes which make game bred blues genetically different from other blues.

One dog isn't a rep of all dogs of that color/line. So I'm not sure of the point with the blue boudreaux dog. Sounds like a Hammonds female I had, to name one. But not all I had down from that strain were like that in the least lol.

You are high on the jocko/redboy and I can understand why. Really I can! Though there are dogs of other lines which are good in their own right and lines thst produce good bulldogs.
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[quote=Old_Blood;380188]I've seen a few nice blues, a couple game bred but most were not. There were some crossed with game lines but still had staff/bully in the ped. I fostered a couple so don't know their background but they were standard type. One o guess was jeep/rascal/razoredge likely because of the kennel that had supposedly bred him. The other anyone's guess, nice lean, muscular 45lbs with lots of drive and energy.



Black is not a form of red. Black is black, red is red. Black is not genetically a form of red. They are not even on the same locus. (Recessive black and red are both at the a locus but our breed doesn't carry recessive black, only a few breeds do.) The basis make up of most dogs is either red OR black, in the APBT red or black is the basis of most colors we see. Black is dominant over red and is located at the K locus. A dog get 1 allele for color from each parent.

A blue no matter WHAT SHADE has a copy of the dilution from each parent. It will have a blue or gray coat. Dilution turns black blue/gray. A black dog blue, fawn blue fawn, if they are a tan point blue and tan, if they have a allele for brindle blue brindle, a smut/shaded sable will be shaded with blue (all with blue nose, eye rims, ect). Just the same as liver turns black brown, a black dog will be chocolate, a tan point chocolate and tan, fawn will have red tipped hairs and mask if they have a mask gene, brindle chocolate brindle, smut will have the darker red / brown shading (all with red nose, lips, eye rims, ect).

There are no genes which make game bred blues genetically different from other blues.

One dog isn't a rep of all dogs of that color/line. So I'm not sure of the point with the blue boudreaux dog. Sounds like a Hammonds female I had, to name one. But not all I had down from that strain were like that in the least lol.

You are high on the jocko/redboy and I can understand why. Really I can! Though there are dogs of other [quote]



What does it mean when they dilute in color? Is it when the line breeding is less tight something like this occurs at random or a genetic metamorphoses that just happens at over time?

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