Originally Posted by Elvisfink
That's all fine and dandy, buy you're no different than the rest of the XXL peddlers. First off your "Kennel" is based on mutts from ICK. You've also admitted that there was mixing of breeds in you desired dog, but you're still advertising your mixed breed XXL Bully’s as Pit Bulls!! THEY ARE NOT PIT BULLS!!! You are selling AmBullies a yet unstandardized dog in my Opinion! No I don't hate Bullies I just Hate when they are sold as Pit Bulls.
P.S. Your dogs might move, but the question is "How Long can they Move for?"
You are welcome to your opinion. I could say the same about you though - you're no different than every other staunch, opinionated, game-dog enthusiast that decrees anything over 45lbs as a mixed APBT. The problem is - I don't know you. And you don't know me. I'll post some pics of my original game bred APBT for you. I know full well what a "true" APBT is. I also know that a "true" APBT has everything in a dog I desire - except the size.
My kennel is also NOT based off the "mutts" at ICK. The majority of my dogs were based around Iron Tyson - who was only owned by ICK until I got him. Tyson was as true to form as you will ever find, just on larger proportions. OFA certified (you can look it up) and UKC pointed, I've got the ribbons to prove it. Not to mention a drive from hell and a willingness to please I've seen in few dogs, "pure" or not. With the exception of his grandmother who stems from Notorious Juan Gotty, Tyson's blood came from UKC & AKC champions. But then again you probably consider any APBT that was bred with an AST a "mutt"...
Tyson's pedigree - ONLINE PEDIGREES ::  :: IRON CROSS IRON TYSON
The only other "ICK" dog behind my dogs is Steelhead's Giant Q-ball. She was Watchdog blood, and her ancestry is where the mixing came into play. You can see the AB in her. When I got involved with the "XL" dogs, I wasn't nearly as knowledgeable as I am now. One of the reasons I am moving away from, and breeding that blood "out" of my lines.
My main point is this - and it will never change: I accept what was done in the past, I acknowledge it, and I am moving forward. I am bringing in other blood that is "pure" to clean up the crap that was brought in, and continuously breeding dogs that are more true to form together to bring the look, the form, and the function back, while maintaining the added size. I like big dogs, I grew up with Rotts. But once I got my first APBT it was over - I'll never own anything else. The only element my dogs don't carry over from the APBT of the past is the dog aggression - I not only actively try to breed it out, but I train it out. I have ZERO need for a dog that wants to kill another dog, and neither does anyone else. But that does not mean that if you put another small, furry animal in front my dogs that it won't become a snack or a "toy"....
Originally Posted by buzhunter
So, what are you going to call them when you get it perfected? and how do you feel about the UKC not questioning the purity of these dogs?
The UKC is interested in one thing and one thing only - $$. It's a privately owned FOR PROFIT business. Period. Until they start doing what they do for free, what they do is of little concern to me. I used to hold it as the holy grail, but I have since learned that a piece of paper does not make a dog. All it does is tell the story of how that dog came to be.
Originally Posted by NorCalTim
A pure bred Bully is mixed bred American Pit Bull TERRIER.
If it is not a Terrier, it is not an APBT. :hammer:
The American Bully is not a Terrier. It can not swim with seals and do all of the things a pure bred Bull Dog can do.
The American Bully in NOT A PIT BULL, its an American Bully.
The APBT stems from several breeds being mixed together to create a dog for a certain purpose. The APBT in itself, is a mutt. Yes, it has a standard that was adopted and accepted, but it doesn't change the fact that in it's inception it was the exact same thing you accus the American Bully of being.
I will post some pictures of my "Bullies" performing with a true red/rednose APBT. They are as long winded as she was, and can perform to the level she did in any task....