Why do vets push Science Diet? - Page 3

jeep lex · 03-13-2009, 05:35 PM

Hill's Science Diet Canine Adult Active Formula
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Ingredients:
Corn meal, chicken by-product meal (including white meat, dark meat, liver and other internal organs), animal fat (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), dried beet pulp, vegetable oil, dried egg product, flaxseed, preserved with BHT and BHA, minerals (potassium chloride, iodized salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (minimum) 28%
Crude Fat (minimum) 25%
Moisture (maximum) 10%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 1.9%
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see all those nice things in there perserved with BHA and BHT since you were trained and know about dog nutrition then you know the are toxic chemicals that are known carcinogens and cause many food allergys and skin conditions in pets right

PeanutsMommy · 03-13-2009, 05:50 PM

great posting jeep lex.

that person pushes science diet because they get paid to they dont know the facts of the food. just like any rep you see in the petstore.

I am glad you pointed out the BHT and BHA. That is why I say if they have nutritionist and veterniarians still devloping their food..they should be EMBARASSED.

People here feed high quality foods because they care about the health of their pet. What you put into your dog is what you get out it.

PeanutsMommy · 03-13-2009, 06:04 PM

not to mention corn and other grains are high allergens to dogs. being developed by vets and nutrionist you think they would have taken that into account.

Scidiet111 you are talking to people that do nothing but research what is best for their pets. Fast talk about research facilities doesnt hide the truth about Hill Science Diet from us. It is a very low quality food with crap ingredients and a few ingredients that can be known to make pets VERY sick even give cancer.

Scidiet111 do inform people of any of what we told you about the food you are peddling?

jeep lex · 03-13-2009, 06:08 PM

also if your foods good why does it contain everything my food promises to keep out? im not try to attack you here either im just making a point that the food you describe as good is anything but.

MADBood · 03-13-2009, 06:17 PM

...joined this board just to push their product...hmmmmm. I'll stick with my Innova...proof's in the pudding

**Carriana** · 03-14-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PeanutsMommy

not to mention corn and other grains are high allergens to dogs. being developed by vets and nutrionist you think they would have taken that into account.

Scidiet111 you are talking to people that do nothing but research what is best for their pets. Fast talk about research facilities doesnt hide the truth about Hill Science Diet from us. It is a very low quality food with crap ingredients and a few ingredients that can be known to make pets VERY sick even give cancer.

Scidiet111 do inform people of any of what we told you about the food you are peddling?

Funny because my old vet wanted to do exploratory surgery on Loki when he was reacting to the CORN in his old dog food instead of addressing the real problem: his diet!

**Carriana** · 03-14-2009, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scidiet111

One thing that really got to my attention during my training is the facilities they use. I know a lot of companies don't have research facilities. But I have seen pictures of their facilities and they care for SO many dogs and cats there that it tells me they have a lot of dedication for making their foods. They have over 100 vets and nutritionists that work in to the facilities to help develop the food. AAFCO was also developed by Science Diet but it seems that people use AAFCO against them.

They are not caring for those animals - they are testing on them. Oh, the corn meal only made 56% of the animals sick with this mix? It passes - we now recommend this and will pay vets BIG money to push this even though it's not anywhere near what an animal would eat as a natural diet. Call it Science Diet and make it "prescription only" and people will think it is good for your pet. Please!

Ninja Monk3y · 03-14-2009, 08:02 AM

I doubt he'll ever come back to read this stuff his propaganda can't work on the educated.

PeanutsMommy · 03-14-2009, 11:32 AM

i think that account was created just for that one post.

Scidiet111 · 03-19-2009, 12:49 AM

So this is what I am talking about. I am not here to insult your intelligence and I just want everything to be civil. I do not work for Science Diet anymore and maybe I did not make that clear. I am here to learn more about food and tell you guys what I know about Science Diet. They have a lot of information that backs up the information that you guys put out on forums. So look, I am not trying to convert you guys over to Science Diet.

For the post by infinity8x3, I found it very interesting at the list of ingredients for Science Diet. I also looked at many sites and I noticed the same list of ingredients. So the other day I was at Petsmart and I looked at the bag and realized that the bag does not state that it contains BHA or BHT. Instead it says the food is preserved with tocophoerols and citric acid. The adult dog food has not been reformulated for quite some time now so it looks like the internet is carrying false information.

As for byproducts, this article explains it all. I posted it earlier but it didn't seem like people read it. And for Jeep lex, this article also explains why other companies say they keep out ingredients that we all believe is bad.
petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=23578

As for corn, corn can be digestible. Infinity8x3, I read that mention that we see corn in our poop. But what I learned is if you eat corn bread, do you still see it? Once the corn is cooked, it is considered highly digestible. So when you see ground whole grain corn, it is grounded and cooked. One thing that I noticed is that on prescription diet, both Royal Canin and Science Diet use corn and by products. I understand that a lot of you guys would go against prescription diet but I found that information interesting.

Also I understand that corn is a proven allergen. An interesting book I looked at is a Small Animal Clinical Nutrition book and it does not state corn anywhere being a common allergen. Instead it states that beef and wheat are the number one causing allergens in dogs. If you guys have any articles about corn, I would like to read up on them.

O and btw, dogs are omnivores and not carnivores.

I understand I am one person going against many of you. But I want to get real facts. Again, I am not trying to insult anyones intelligence. I just want to share my knowledge as well as gain information from you guys.

PeanutsMommy · 03-19-2009, 12:58 AM

can you look at the difference in science diet to that of evo or Orijen and still tell us that science diet is "good"?

PeanutsMommy · 03-19-2009, 02:58 AM

its science diet brain washing. they teach the facts they want people to know and brush off questions that shows the food for what it is..over priced poor quality ingredients with rendered meat..meaning you could be feeding the 4 Ds or dogs and cats depending on the factory they get their rendered meat from.

no matter how you babble salesman info at us we do research what we put into our pets and look for the best possible food for them. science diet is on the same level as gravy train kibbles n bits.

what you put into your dog is what you get out of them.

jeep lex · 03-19-2009, 03:45 AM

ok sci diet for your info i did read your link i found the article interesting i also found it interesting that its on a site called petfoodindustry.com and the slogan is The online Community For Petfood Professionals, but thats not the point the point is your site arguement is a little weak. They argue that any food containing meal contains by-product(necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines to name a few) but thats obvious being that meal is defined by the AAFCO as "the dry rendered product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with accompanying bone, derived from whole carcasses of chicken thereof, exclusive of feathers and skin" chicken meal cannot be made without byproducts. Duh you grind up a chicken theres going to be some bad stuff in ther but its such a small percentage compared to all the nutritious meat. So yes your right on a technichality (hmmm big business is real good at doing that) but to compare the quality of Chicken Meall to chicken by-product or chicken by-product meal its insane because you are talking about two completely different qualities of food. one is small amounts of undesirable ingredients and the other is completely made up of the undesirable stuff. please educate yourself further before spitting out facts like you know what your talking about, and dont get your only facts from big business propoganda websites their "facts" only have money behind them my "facts" have my dogs life behind them and you dont know how much i love my dog

**Carriana** · 03-19-2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scidiet111

So this is what I am talking about. I am not here to insult your intelligence and I just want everything to be civil. I do not work for Science Diet anymore and maybe I did not make that clear. I am here to learn more about food and tell you guys what I know about Science Diet. They have a lot of information that backs up the information that you guys put out on forums. So look, I am not trying to convert you guys over to Science Diet.

Why did you choose Scidiet111 as your username if you're not trying to promote the product then?

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Originally Posted by Scidiet111

As for corn, corn can be digestible. Infinity8x3, I read that mention that we see corn in our poop. But what I learned is if you eat corn bread, do you still see it? Once the corn is cooked, it is considered highly digestible. So when you see ground whole grain corn, it is grounded and cooked. One thing that I noticed is that on prescription diet, both Royal Canin and Science Diet use corn and by products.

You don't see it because it is ground up. Just because you don't see each grain doesn't mean they were digested. My dog's poop before I switched to grain free food (when it wasn't full of blood and mucous due to the severe allergic reaction to the corn) was gritty with undigested ground corn.

PeanutsMommy · 03-19-2009, 04:10 AM

^^i second the healthy poos.

bottom line is they get paid to peddle it.

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i really like this part....

Qualifications and Competencies
Basic Qualifications:

Bachelor degree required or 2 year AA degree with Registered Vet Tech
2 or more years prior field sales experience
Ability to lift up to 50 pounds
Valid driver’s license
Some overnight travel is required

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B.S. in biology, chemistry, health-related, nutrition, or animal science

Field sales experience in Animal Health or Pharmaceutical industry

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In addition, Hill’s Vet Channel Territory Managers receive:

26% target bonus
Company provided home office equipment and connectivity
Fully paid company car
Opportunity to work with a highly-committed and professional sales team

hey its money but i would rather be poor then tell people to feed horrible food with the disgueise that they do.

i feel dirty for having searched the site