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Old 04-10-2014, 04:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Wow. A dog isn't even fully mature by the first heat. PUPPIES often don't make the best parents, not to mention common health issues, which a reputable breeder tests for (hips, elbows etc) cannot even be tested for until 2 years of age. Just because a bitch has had her first season does not in any way mean she's physically or mentally mature enough to be BRED (not "bread"). This is breeding 101. The fact that you come onto a dog forum asking the questions you are asking is a huge red flag that despite your seven years of so called experience you are nothing but a backyard breeder. Dogs are domesticated products of man, not wild animals. Their seasons vary significantly from those of wild animals in nature. Breeding a bitch on her first heat is unethical. Period. The best advice you will receive has already been provided, go back to your vet or seek a second opinion.
great post!!! u are far better with words than i am, and have said everything i wanted to.
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im still laughing at the pure breed bloodlines are in FL the rest are watered down bahahahah.. did not know pure breds are only in FL, good to know .. thank god we have someone so educated to come on here and school us all now lol. I did ask some questions to HELP you but you seem to be a troll and looking to start drama vs getting help for unmature pup who just had puppies.. If you want to answer some questions we can maybe help , if not then there isn't much we can do going off what you posted.
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And PS just because you breed dogs for 7 years does mean you are legit and ethical.. lots of puppy millers run for decades , means nothing more then you have continued bad ethic breeding for a long time...
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Old 04-10-2014, 04:18 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Whats so wrong with breeding on the first heat? Dogs that arent domesticated dont wait til the second or third heat are u telling me nature is incorrect?

P.S the pure bred bloodlines are in FL. Dat other shit is watered down back wash!

Feral dogs and domesticated dogs are two separate issues. And wtf does Florida have to do with anything??? It's not a location that designates if a dog is well bred or a BYB experiment. And when a dog hasn't proven themselves to be worthy of breeding, but are bred anyway, it makes you a back yard breeder and that's what is ruining dogs.

What is the reason you think your dog is worthy of being bred at such a young age? What has she accomplished? And we all answered your question. Find a reputable vet none of use pretend to know everything hence why a vet was suggested.


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Old 04-10-2014, 04:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
 

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Whats so wrong with breeding on the first heat? Dogs that arent domesticated dont wait til the second or third heat are u telling me nature is incorrect?

P.S the pure bred bloodlines are in FL. Dat other shit is watered down back wash!

Humans are physically capable of breeding much earlier than we typically do... are we going against nature, too? By your logic, it's okay for 9 - 12 yr old girls to be popping out kids. Our bodies, though capable of breeding, need time to mature so we can reproduce at our healthiest. This is no different for the dogs; they may be physically capable of reproducing, but it's much better for them and their puppies if they wait.

Also, coming on a forum and asking for help, then calling their dogs "watered down back wash" is pretty ballsy and rude...
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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these women folk are doing their dead level best to be civil with you jerk!

7 years my foot! more like 7 days.

and the watered down part;;;; tell ya what cuz! meet me in ga. we'll see whats watered and whats aint! I'm in sc so that's 1/2 way.

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Old 04-11-2014, 04:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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the only thing I'd correct you on is your spelling.. LOL

Look man, or woman.. Its not bad to breed a dog on her first heat IF you want her to have pups several times through her life. It opens the hips while they are still pliable.

NOW.. she is in her heat cycle??? or she has discharged black blood and mucous continuosly til this POINT?

PICTURE!!!!! and details.

IF its a heat .. that normal.. .. if its the other then there are a few things your gonna have to narrow down. Antibiotics .. but you better go to the horse doctor and tell em you need penicillan injectable and good syringe. You also need to give her RAW meat to increas HER IRON and other most essential nutrients, protiens and amino acids.


after a litter a female will come in heat when they are 4-9months old.


IF its black blood and discharge mucous... then there is an issue.
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the only thing I'd correct you on is your spelling.. LOL

Look man, or woman.. Its not bad to breed a dog on her first heat IF you want her to have pups several times through her life. It opens the hips while they are still pliable.

NOW.. she is in her heat cycle??? or she has discharged black blood and mucous continuosly til this POINT?

PICTURE!!!!! and details.

IF its a heat .. that normal.. .. if its the other then there are a few things your gonna have to narrow down. Antibiotics .. but you better go to the horse doctor and tell em you need penicillan injectable and good syringe. You also need to give her RAW meat to increas HER IRON and other most essential nutrients, protiens and amino acids.


after a litter a female will come in heat when they are 4-9months old.

IF its black blood and discharge mucous... then there is an issue.
A female dog should not be bred during first heat...she is physically and mentally immature and not even old enough for proper testing until 2 years! Here's a link with some info
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Old 04-11-2014, 07:41 AM   #25 (permalink)
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the only thing I'd correct you on is your spelling.. LOL

Look man, or woman.. Its not bad to breed a dog on her first heat IF you want her to have pups several times through her life. It opens the hips while they are still pliable.

NOW.. she is in her heat cycle??? or she has discharged black blood and mucous continuosly til this POINT?

PICTURE!!!!! and details.

IF its a heat .. that normal.. .. if its the other then there are a few things your gonna have to narrow down. Antibiotics .. but you better go to the horse doctor and tell em you need penicillan injectable and good syringe. You also need to give her RAW meat to increas HER IRON and other most essential nutrients, protiens and amino acids.


after a litter a female will come in heat when they are 4-9months old.


IF its black blood and discharge mucous... then there is an issue.
I know u know ur stuff Stan. I ain't gonna argue with u.... but I think u need to break out ur crayons on this one and leave the technical stuff for the more experienced people, like urself.
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Agree with Lauren. How would someone even know a dog is worthy of being bred on their first heat? You can't do health testing yet on a dog that little (not even thinking of maturity or multiple breedings best to open her pelvis up comment) come on Stan people breeding on first heat? What?! lol


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Stan you know your blood and you know what you are working with enough to be able to breed like this, you understand what you are getting what you are producing ect . this is some newbie who knows nothing on what they are doing , don't encourage people like this to breed on 1st heats. many bitches don't have litters until 2 years or older when they are mature and have no issue having litters, so that pelvic shit is crap and just another excuse these crap breeders will use to over produce sub par dogs.
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U guys asked me what my bitch showed me that makes her worthy of being bred?
Ever heard of the name TOMMY WALKER out of florida (if not google him) i have known tommy for ten years personally. We live in the same city. I have been breeding his dogs for 7years and they have shown and proven themselves in numerous of kennels across the country. I was an apprentice to tommy for two years. So i might not know everything but i am very experienced with k9s.

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Ever heard of the name TOMMY WALKER out of florida (if not google him) i have known tommy for ten years personally. We live in the same city. I have been breeding his dogs for 7years and they have shown and proven themselves in numerous of kennels across the country. I was an apprentice to tommy for two years. So i might not know everything but i am very experienced with k9s.
Then you should know better...and you still didn't quite answer the question. T Walker has some good blood, but breeding females have to have certain testing also, that cannot be done until a certain age.

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Plz help! I have a female who came in season for the first time i inbread her (1tie) to her moms littermate brother tab / jeep /boyles and recieved 11 pups long storry short the pups are 4months old and she is still off and on bleading. I took her to the vet wich was useless she gave me antibiotics (pills) but still no improvement. Has anyone had this happen to your dog? Help plz
Hard Mouth Kennels, and you are on a dog forum with strangers asking questions?

"Bread" is a food, in case you didn't know!

First heat????????????????

Idiots like you are ruining this breed! Fix her and hang up the gloves, for you have already failed!

End of story! You want help, it will cost you! Pay the bills and quit being cheap! Get to a good vet.

If you don;t have the money, you had no business breeding in the first place!
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