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Old 07-22-2009, 03:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
 

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How much of your nutrition knowledge is based in real life and not what you found via the internet?
My knowledge stems from what I know about nutrition from studying it in the past and present. I am basing my opinion on the ingredients listed by the manufacturer, not what the reviewer says at that link as I do not always agree with where they put some foods and I commented on that a while back.
While you disagree with me and you are free to do so, there is a reason that companies like Innova and others like it came into existance.

My apologies for "hijacking" this thread and for being the "nutrition police" as you call it, this is just something I feel strongly about as do many others on here who post that they use foods that are 5 and 6 star rated. I am not alone although I apparently am the only one being overly vocal.

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:36 PM   #62 (permalink)
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at the very least dogfoodanalysis.com is a good source to read the ingredients list. There are usually a few good indicators from a good food to a bad food (low or no grain, named meat in meal form/ byproducts and lots of cheap grain etc.). The reviews seem pretty objective too. my dog growing up lived to be 17 on store brand "moist n meaty" and when i got Max he was being fed ol roy dry and canned food EWWWWW! I've had to do lots of research on dog food because Max has such an effed up stomach. We've been through Natures Variety Instinct, Canidae, Dogswell, Hills (aka ground peanut shells), EVO and now we're doing Wellness CORE (all "5 and 6 star" foods except the hills) . So far the wellness has been the best. Hardly any farts and one good firm poop a day. He also likes it (he's very picky about kibble). anyways im done rambling.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:56 AM   #63 (permalink)
 

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My knowledge stems from what I know about nutrition from studying it in the past and present.
Which means just nothing to me. No offense, but how could it? You are just a faceless person on some dog forum to me as I do not know you from Adam at this point. Don;t mean to sound harsh, just being blunt and calling it as it truly is.


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I am basing my opinion on the ingredients listed by the manufacturer, not what the reviewer says at that link as I do not always agree with where they put some foods and I commented on that a while back.
That's nice. But when I compare what I know of YOUR knowledge of the ingredients to people that I know personally who have gone to school for many years to understand those ingredients and how they work to fuel the canine body, and their opinions differ from yours, well ... I'm not going to really feel that you know more than they do or that your opinion holds more facts or holds more weight. Sorry but that is just the truth.


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While you disagree with me and you are free to do so, there is a reason that companies like Innova and others like it came into existance.
Yeah, it's called niche marketing. Coming out with a product that is allegedly superior while smearing those products that came before you or are competing with you for the almighty dollar is the American capitalist way. LOL.

Well, you might be drinking their Kool-aid that they came out with the food because they had a "noble mission" but I do not. I think that they saw a ripe marketing ready for the picking and made a very wise marketing decision. And yes, I think they cooked up a very warm and fuzzy feel good mission statement because HEY - that *is* their entire marketing niche ... "choose OUR food and feel that you are feeding YOUR dog healthier and better food - because after all you LOVE your pet and to do anything else would be not to give them the ultimate best care".

*Every* gourmet / health food thing is saying the same exact thing - they all saw a gold mine and hopped on the "better food than theirs" bandwagon.


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My apologies for "hijacking" this thread and for being the "nutrition police" as you call it, this is just something I feel strongly about as do many others on here who post that they use foods that are 5 and 6 star rated. I am not alone although I apparently am the only one being overly vocal.
I've heard the same diatribe about the diet I feed Toby on MANY forums. :shrug: Interestingly enough .. all the experienced dog owners, trainers, and handlers that I've spoken to say push come to shove, it's NOT a horrid food. The folks that seem to yell the loudest are those feeding raw or that have fully bought into the all processed foods are poisonous mindset, and only the most expensive and gourmet food can be nutritional viable and every reference they provide usually has no scientific basis and every canine nutritionist I speak to says it's a fine food, so hey, there you go.

Having a passion is fine, but shoving your opinions down other people's throat in discussion threads that aren't even ABOUT that topic - especially when it is not asked for, isn't really cool IMO and it is considered bad manners in most online forums and communities.

I feel JUST as strongly as you do that my diet is NOT a poor quality one and it is being backed by those in the veterinary field that I have asked, so yeah - I'm not going to accept being told that it's a bad thing to feed without speaking my side, know what I mean? lol. Because check it out, I am JUST as vocal as you are evidently, LOL. In general, if you direct something at me or engage with me in a discussion you can usually figure that I will respond, unless it is pointless melodramatic bs or name-calling type of stuff.

The only references you have provided that you use to back your opinion is stating that you are using your own knowledge (which could be questionable) and a site with absolutely no scientific background or association, no credentials or expertise listed, no references listed, there is no clear indication if their reviews are based in science at all - there is NO way for anyone to tell if they have been paid to spin certain brands and food into a better light then others and they are using that site to generate money to some degree, which for me, casts an unfavorable light on it.

So while maybe it is good enough for you, it just is simply NOT good enough for me, and I am just as happy to say so if you are going to give me an unasked for critique on my choices.

Now please note, that I am posting in a purely objective manner, and there is no emotion in my replies to you. So if you are reading that into them, please understand that you are creating that scenario. I don't dislike you, I am not angry, nor am I upset in any fashion .... I just don't agree with you on this specific topic, and I didn't agree with how you hijacked the thread to pimp your opinion of everyone's choices of diets.

That's JMO, though.
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:01 AM   #64 (permalink)
 

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And I might mention - I am NOT trying to convert you to my way of thinking. I already know that is pointless, and I do not see that it is my place to try to tell you that what you feed your dog is this or that when you haven't asked for my opinion about what you feed your dog.

I just personally don't see any point in continuing this line of discussion between you and I and I am happy to agree to disagree, as I stated from the get go.
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I think if all you do is challenge someone's views, and post an objection to just about every statement, then you ARE trying to convert someone into your way of thinking. He's not the only one that shares the belief.. How would you go by choosing the right feed? I really want to know
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:56 PM   #66 (permalink)
 

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I think if all you do is challenge someone's views, and post an objection to just about every statement, then you ARE trying to convert someone into your way of thinking. He's not the only one that shares the belief.. How would you go by choosing the right feed? I really want to know
I was wondering when the rest of you who feel the low quality feeds are not good for our dogs were going to chime in.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:03 PM   #67 (permalink)
 

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That's nice. But when I compare what I know of YOUR knowledge of the ingredients to people that I know personally who have gone to school for many years to understand those ingredients and how they work to fuel the canine body, and their opinions differ from yours, well ... I'm not going to really feel that you know more than they do or that your opinion holds more facts or holds more weight. Sorry but that is just the truth.
Well let's see their article posted in a well respected journal then?
If they are not published then theirs is nothing more than an opinion as is mine!

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Yeah, it's called niche marketing. Coming out with a product that is allegedly superior while smearing those products that came before you or are competing with you for the almighty dollar is the American capitalist way. LOL.

Well, you might be drinking their Kool-aid that they came out with the food because they had a "noble mission" but I do not. I think that they saw a ripe marketing ready for the picking and made a very wise marketing decision. And yes, I think they cooked up a very warm and fuzzy feel good mission statement because HEY - that *is* their entire marketing niche ... "choose OUR food and feel that you are feeding YOUR dog healthier and better food - because after all you LOVE your pet and to do anything else would be not to give them the ultimate best care".

*Every* gourmet / health food thing is saying the same exact thing - they all saw a gold mine and hopped on the "better food than theirs" bandwagon.
That is your opinion and you obviously have nothing to back your conspiracy theory post. You sound like another one of those people that think the whole world is out to get them.

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I've heard the same diatribe about the diet I feed Toby on MANY forums. :shrug: Interestingly enough .. all the experienced dog owners, trainers, and handlers that I've spoken to say push come to shove, it's NOT a horrid food.
Nobody said it was a "horrid food" I only said it was low quality so read what I said and don't make red herring arguments.
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:25 AM   #68 (permalink)
 

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I think if all you do is challenge someone's views, and post an objection to just about every statement, then you ARE trying to convert someone into your way of thinking. He's not the only one that shares the belief.. How would you go by choosing the right feed? I really want to know
I'm confused by your question, as I am not sure if you were directing this at me or not.

If directed at me, I will answer.

I didn't challenge anyone's views, I merely shared what I fed my dog, as asked by the original poster.

I haven't posted an objection to every statement, I have ONLY responded to posts directed specifically at me, as best as I can tell, in a polite and civil manner.

I also shared why I was happy with the diet I feed and why I feel confident it is a good quality diet, and why I disagree that it was a poor quality diet when it was stated that is was, and the steps I took to assure myself it was a good food to feed.

Whether or not anyone agrees with me isn't something I care about, I merely replied to posts directed at me. Had no one responded to my posts, I likely would not have posted again, as there wouldn't be a need since I said everything I intended to say in the first place in my initial post. LOL.

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Old 07-24-2009, 10:20 PM   #69 (permalink)
 

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