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Old 12-17-2014, 04:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Routine feed should be high protein. I am feeding hamburger, egg and a good dry food. Tell me what you think? I do mix if I would be conditioning, work to carbs and protein, but, on the chain optimum is higher protein. Nothing fancy just high protein prepared the way the dogs love it and not so expensive. Raw? Risky. I never do it. love to cook for my kids anyway!
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how much is too much protein on the chain? and if you could put a number on it, by what percentage would you increase for conditioning?
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Old 12-18-2014, 01:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
 

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how much is too much protein on the chain? and if you could put a number on it, by what percentage would you increase for conditioning?
Dogs digestive system is very similar to people with one major exception, the digestive tract is slower; therefore, dogs only need fed once a day. Whether on the chain or in a keep or routine life, how much is too much you ask? I feed a balanced diet of protein, fat, and carbs, along with the necessary vitamins and nutrients. However, if your dog isn't too active you can keep the weight under control by feeding more protein, and if your dog is working it will need more carbs. Thus my statement "on the chain" allows me to feed more protein.
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how much is too much protein on the chain? and if you could put a number on it, by what percentage would you increase for conditioning?
Second part of your question, "what % would you increase for conditioning?", the best way to answer easily without discussing intricate specifics, and that is the best way to answer a general question of nutrition, is to say that a good balanced diet of quality dog feed is acceptable. Now, cut it down a little but add meat and eggs for instance and you are increasing protein and keeping the dogs weight under control and you have a happy animal getting all of that meat and egg protein mixed in with its diet. Likewise, if you are exercising a dog very intensely, on days before intense exercise feed the same stable diet that your dog is use to, but change the protein, i.e., meat and eggs, to carbohydrates. Conclusion, your dog has its stability diet that it always has, but it is adjusted and altered with amounts of protein and carbs to correspond with its work! Happy, stable dog, without harsh changes that could be upsetting.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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thanks. i appreciate the advice. i understand about not discussing specifics but would you elaborate a little on carbs? (common sources) if you dont mind me picking your brain a little more?
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
 

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thanks. i appreciate the advice. i understand about not discussing specifics but would you elaborate a little on carbs? (common sources) if you dont mind me picking your brain a little more?
That's funny I should be picking your brain! I haven't studied this in years, I am just ad libbing as we speak. I had good results with spaghetti and oatmeal and pancakes! But I think the base is important and the adjustments of proteins and carbs are for us to tinker and see if we can do better! I think, I know, I did get better results by adjusting. What are your thoughts?
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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well, ive never really suplemented my dry feed with anything other than meat/eggs/ bacon grease/and vitamin and mineral supplements. never thought much about carbs. (maybe i should have)this was the past when i could work them several days a week. as ive gotten older and had less time for dogs ive dialed it back to a decent quality dry feed only because im just keeping house dogs basically and idont want to be scooping my money up with a shovel. now ive got these two males that just hit 2yo and im just gathering ideas and using my ears because i dont want to let these boys go to waste.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
 

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I agree, it is fun to observe the difference that a feed makes.
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Old 12-18-2014, 02:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I feed a full raw diet! Would never do it any other way. cut out that hamburger! Stay away from ground as much as your can.
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Old 12-29-2014, 03:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
 

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I feed a full raw diet! Would never do it any other way. cut out that hamburger! Stay away from ground as much as your can.
Thanks for the advice, could you tell me why you feed raw and why stay away from cooked hamburger on a non-conditioning diet?
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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good info going into this.
I also use a decent kibble, and suppliment in some other goodies from time to time
nothing wrong with some beef once in a while, but to feed any store bought meat, that was raised on a steady antibiotic, may cause the animal to become immune to antibiotics, and have issues with health later on in life, due to the constant flow of antibiotics, and an immunity build up against them... Sure they are lean and have a shiny coat, but are the benifits of a full on raw diet vs a kibble fed one better or worse ?? the jury is still out on that one!!

a raw "wild/found) diet, is different than a raw "store" bought one in a few different ways.
\ natural enzymes and natural bacteria or animals with no natural immunity
a dog that can pass bacteria or viral organisms through, without being affected, vs being affected. Some folks may be even doing more harm in feeding a raw diet than they realize - or intend -
now a natural raised beef,fowl, fish, rabbit, deer, turkey, raised in the wild -
hmmmm.... o wait -----mmmmmmmmmmm
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ask randall what I said about you cooking that burger? hahaha... when you cook anything like that you lose a lot of the nutriants[msp].I know dam well you remember satin's balls??????good but too rich for every day.

raw grd aint bad. just not everyday get you some leg quarters. active has he is rex I'd go 3-4% of his weight with it. plenty of fat there also. add wheatgerm oil or flaxseed. and adding some good dry to top it off wont hurt him. 2 or 3 softboiled eggs a week and once or twice a week give him some livers and gizzards. you could drop the dry if you want and add a cup of cooked rice. your clean up will be ez! like the little skinny dude said ''keep him about 2/3 lbs over and you good! hehehe. do this and within 2 weeks you'll think you have a different dog in your yard I promise! if not call me and i'll come get him! hahaha.
oh yeah... that carb thing is over rated also. fat is fuel brother!!!!!!

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ask randall what I said about you cooking that burger? hahaha... when you cook anything like that you lose a lot of the nutriants[msp].I know dam well you remember satin's balls??????good but too rich for every day.

raw grd aint bad. just not everyday get you some leg quarters. active has he is rex I'd go 3-4% of his weight with it. plenty of fat there also. add wheatgerm oil or flaxseed. and adding some good dry to top it off wont hurt him. 2 or 3 softboiled eggs a week and once or twice a week give him some livers and gizzards. you could drop the dry if you want and add a cup of cooked rice. your clean up will be ez! like the little skinny dude said ''keep him about 2/3 lbs over and you good! hehehe. do this and within 2 weeks you'll think you have a different dog in your yard I promise! if not call me and i'll come get him! hahaha.
oh yeah... that carb thing is over rated also. fat is fuel brother!!!!!!

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Way to complicated for every day feed! Read my opening, daily feed, not conditioning. I'm talking kennel feed with a "routine" that will satisfy a dog and keep him close to weight. I also disagree that carb loading is over rated
if done correctly and in conjunction with work and protein days. But, that is truly something that has to be tested.
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On a side note Welder that mill is working fine! Thanks
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we used to get meat and bone meal way back when but they stopped selling it when that mad cow disease paranoia was going around. late 90's id say. i guess it was a good for a daily routine. anybody ever use something like that? guy who turned me onto it swore by it.
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