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Old 04-25-2016, 10:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Caesar's Skin: Need all the help I can get!

I am very happy to join this forum I have read a lot of good information over the past few weeks upon discovery however I have a pretty bad situation.

I have a pit mix Caesar who just turned 4 years old, since 1 I, and now my wife have been fighting his skin issues.I hate to say but literally everything I have seen and read on here with others is nothing, you all (mostly) are so lucky to have such small issues! Firstly I got Caesar as a 6 week old rescue, already emotionally a mess and beyond scared and abused, he has since turned into the most loyal and amazing friend and is perfect with my toddler son who is quite a pest to him in every sense but all Caesar does is lick and kiss.

To the problems! Never had an issue with him other than the skin. We are 6 vets in, now 6th vet's dermatologist, best in WNY as claimed. We are $4-5k in on bills, mostly due to lack of vet knowledge and throw steroids at him. He "recovers" in literally days from a bloody, puss, dry skinned mess that happens overnight. However we now know his immune system is simply depressed and his issues always come roaring back.

I included some pictures, unfortunately this is him on a good day, and is still in rough shape. I have done the borax with hydrogen peroxide method using a benzyl peroxide first to open hair follicles, soaking him a good 30 minutes with the borax solution and letting him air dry, hair dryer in winter. I have done this bi weekly for 8 weeks with barely any progress.

He has been on every "A+" grain free chicken free dog food you can imagine nothing really seems to make any difference.

We have done fish oil, coconut oil oral and topically. He has done cephalexin with multiple medications, as stated heavy meds he makes immediate recovery but as soon as pills stop it all comes back.

Skin scrapings (many) always are negative for everything they've seen.

I am currently doing 0.9cc/day ivermectin with probiotic yogurt and apple cider vinegar in his food daily at high amounts (90 lb by the way). Also he is getting coated 2x/day with prolate, diluted to 1 oz/gal.

He is always bathed minimum once a week, crate is just plastic bottom cleaned with prolate daily.

He is always dry and chalky on his shoulders neck and back/tail, and moist dark underneath with complete loss of hair. I am 9 days in on the ivermectin daily and he is not improving. Last year this time he was bright red and swollen on his entire belly, and legs, skin looking like red intestine, swollen pussy bloody mess. We have invested thousands of dollars and we do not know what to do now!

Also, he had a 50 something prick test for allergies and blood work sent across the country to California. This combination yielded 3/5 reactions to some pollens and dust mites but nothing major what so ever to cause him the way he looks. He just completed a year of immune-therapy orally twice a day with no food or water for 10 minutes. Zero improvement.

Our dermatologist was and still is quite puzzled. The first few days of ivermectin I was very hopeful but now his neck is beginning to ooze today and he is beginning to smell and is damp underneath pretty bad, it looks like there's no hope!

Please help, anyone who can point us in the right direction, he is beyond miserable and even an open wallet, which cannot continue has not solved a thing.

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Old 04-25-2016, 11:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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First, welcome to the forum. Really sorry to read about the misery all concerned are going through.
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Old 04-26-2016, 01:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
 

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Not sure if it is my screen or photos but these do not do justice as to how bad it is. Not including the terrible smell or ooze from the neck, new daily problems are just another day. He just got a bath with 3 Davis mix, miconizole, benzoyl peroxide, and Chlorhexidine Pet Shampoos. Let sit for 5-10 minutes then rinse and borax hydrogen peroxide mix that he was soaked with and is currently air drying. He stopped scratching finally and is sleeping but I have no idea what problem I will come home to tomorrow.

I plan on continuing the ivermectin .9cc/day for a month and follow through with it as I am not sure how a mite could survive. I also completely cleaned his crate with prolate and moved it to a non carpeted room, I feel the bedroom he is in is very dusty but I feel like I am guessing at every step right now, and the worst part is that my boy is suffering.


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Old 04-26-2016, 02:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Sounds like a really tough one.

There is no way any of us can really get a grasp on what is going on here.

On the surface, the concoctions his skin and insides are being subjected to by themselves sound like they could irritate the heck out of him and his skin, but then again, I have no idea for the why or wherefore or recommendations you have been given.

Understand that some dogs just never do get better. They have a real immune problem and nothing helps. I have no idea what else could possibly be done. Just don't let him suffer.

I'll just throw this out -- have his thyroid levels been checked? And adrenal gland function?
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Sounds like a really tough one.

There is no way any of us can really get a grasp on what is going on here.

On the surface, the concoctions his skin and insides are being subjected to by themselves sound like they could irritate the heck out of him and his skin, but then again, I have no idea for the why or wherefore or recommendations you have been given.

Understand that some dogs just never do get better. They have a real immune problem and nothing helps. I have no idea what else could possibly be done. Just don't let him suffer.

I'll just throw this out -- have his thyroid levels been checked? And adrenal gland function?
I do not believe either has been. I will have those tested at an upcoming appointment. He does have contact allergies as well as environmental, hence his immune therapy to help raise his natural levels of acceptance of them but no luck. The systems do seem right up his alley. We are continuing to boost his immune system with probiotics, ACV, coconut oil. He just is always ripping himself apart scratching it's been so long with this frustration.
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Has a skin biopsy been done?
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that treatment would eradicate almost any microbial issue. from the pics and your description of smell, i would guess fungal. i appreciate your commitment to helping this pup.
like others have mentioned, there must be some underlying condition. immune deficiency or allergy. or even a combination of both.
you might consider a raw diet.
buddy of mine had Eng bulldog with simliar skin discoloration and hair loss. we never found out exactly what it was. he used antifungal shampoo from GNC and it went away in a few weeks. maybe worth a shot.

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that treatment would eradicate almost any microbial issue. from the pics and your description of smell, i would guess fungal. i appreciate your commitment to helping this pup.
like others have mentioned, there must be some underlying condition. immune deficiency or allergy. or even a combination of both.
you might consider a raw diet.
buddy of mine had Eng bulldog with simliar skin discoloration and hair loss. we never found out exactly what it was. he used antifungal shampoo from GNC and it went away in a few weeks. maybe worth a shot.

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system->symptoms* jeez, way too tired.

Thanks everyone for the feedback thus far. Skin biopsy I am unsure. So much has been done in the last 3 years I have tried everything twice or three times it feels. I will take a look and present everything in 1 sit down meeting with the dermo. I always feel so hopeful leaving and spend XXXX on him only to never really get anywhere but much poorer.

I have that exact bottle unfortunately. I also have tried multiple brands as well as prescription versions with no change. He is unaffected by anything except steroids which after the cycle leave him worse than he was. But does and looks fantastic while on them.

For the next 2 weeks I will continue to bathe twice a week in the Davis 3 bottle mixture which treats pretty much everything skin wise, crate placed on cement floor (has plastic bottom and is warm) and I clean it daily. I am also planning on starting zyrtec 24 hour and dipping his feet periodically as he licks and scratches a lot making every symptom worse.

This is ridiculous because he is such a fantastic dog and I love him but there has been no let up and I can't imagine drawing a line. I keep hoping holistically there is something but so far we are empty handed. We will see the dermo shortly and I may bring everything over to a new place focusing on holistic approach if I feel a different approach is warranted.
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This is ridiculous because he is such a fantastic dog and I love him but there has been no let up and I can't imagine drawing a line..
Anyone who has been through a horrible skin condition like this should read James Herriot's short story, "Amber". Can probably be found in any collection of his.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
 

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Update:

Moved his crate to room temperature basement, plan on building a 10x10' kennel with a coolaroo style bed that's on the way to keep him away from carpet for majority of the day and at night.

He seems to be staying constant where is he skin wise. Laying for 5 minutes or more and I can feel damn wetness on his neck and belly. He is extremely lazy, walk him 1-2x/day for 10-15 min and try to play fetch, 2-3 tosses and he just starts sniffing around done with it. Not much other exercise, no weight gain or loss.

I have also ordered some highly rated thyroid booster (natural oral dropper) to use for a few weeks prior to his dermatology appt which I plan on doing a thyroid test as well as skin biopsy. I have been using the Duoxo foam on his complete under side prior to bed as he has been on carpeting for a while. We also vacuum weekly with a dyson pet vacuum (the purple one) and replace furnace air filters with dust mite level.

I have written an extensive detailed list to present at the appt and am planning on summarizing all we've been through and how terrible he is and refuse any steroid as it never fixes anything. I usually cave because I want him to get relief but it's a double edged sword as I am always back in the office for more and charged an insane amount. Any other suggestions? I believe the appointment is 5/20.
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I'm sorry to hear about your boy. My mix had skin like you describe when I picked him up. The vet thought it was mange. Ended up being some serious food allergies. I know you said he's on grain free food. Have you attempted a raw prey model diet? It was all that was needed for my dog, plus I've seen it help cure a multitude of issues with others' dogs. It may not be all he needs, but could possibly assist in getting his skin better.

Any update on how he is?
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