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Old 11-04-2009, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hey guys....a few things I wanna get to. First off, about the Babesia...a friend of mines conected me with a vet down here that surprisingly is against BSL...and even if he doesnt have permission to give out papers, he still does check ups on pits and he also medicates them etc. As soon as I get the money (trying to get it ASAP) I will take her....so that would be within another week, no more then that....in the meanwhile Im gonna be taking the advice one user gave me about the yugurt & ground beef.
Let me get one thing off my chest right now....I am NOT a irresponsible owner, WHAT SO ever....yes, pitbulls are illegal down here....but if I didnt have Mala or Tonka, they would be in very bad hands (fighting dogs is REAL popular down here, which makes it WORSE on BSL)...and thats why I actually got him, because I saw him in bad conditions, and I wanted to help. Mala on the other hand came to me ALSO in terrible conditions, but I mostly got her because being alone gets old after a while, so I wanted a companion....and well, I love this breed. I dont "WATCH the dog die"....I do everything within my power to save the dog...but there was nothing I culd do ffor him, and TRUST me I DID everything I culd.
Ive had days that Ive only had food in the house for me & my parents, and NO DOG food...and Ive given MY food to Mala...I may not be able to take her to a vet or even walk her around like any normal dog...but I do all I can to feed her, keep her happy (which she is VERY happy), and PROTECT her, even if its from the law...I'd go to jail before they take her away from me.
I mentioned a LONG time ago that ive owned a FEW pitbulls, and I admitted that I only had them temporarily, to sell them after a few months....big mistake on my part....I was very ignorant (well, I was a kid anyways) but thats actually the reason why Im so close to Mala...I learned ALOT from her. She showed me that there ARE kind & loving souls that WONT betray you, that WONT hurt you, and that WONT judge you. I treat her like if she was my daughter (my first born lol)....I hope that clears the "irresponsibility" thing up lol. Im not trying to argue with anyone, just trying to make a point. Thanks.

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by the way make sure the Yogurt has ACTIVE CULTURES. Don't pick up a plain yogurt from WinnDixie...you'll need to make sure it says Active Cultures on there.
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by the way make sure the Yogurt has ACTIVE CULTURES. Don't pick up a plain yogurt from WinnDixie...you'll need to make sure it says Active Cultures on there.

THANKS alot pal...will do!! did u see Mala's video? its in the General Discussion section
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I still feel the same way but I will not keep harping on it, failure to provide medical care because the dog is illegal is not responsible no matter how you look at it. Had you had a vet like you do know that can provide care for your dog BSL or not could have saved your other dog.

Since your female got bred are you going to spay her at the vet if she is healthy, or are you going to have the puppies? Your answer on that will tell a lot about how much you care about this breed.
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I still feel the same way but I will not keep harping on it, failure to provide medical care because the dog is illegal is not responsible no matter how you look at it. Had you had a vet like you do know that can provide care for your dog BSL or not could have saved your other dog.

Since your female got bred are you going to spay her at the vet if she is healthy, or are you going to have the puppies? Your answer on that will tell a lot about how much you care about this breed.
I dont know if you can READ, but yes im taking her to a vet. Yeah Tonka died, but if im having trouble right NOW getting the money to take Mala to the vet what makes you think I could have taken him?
And I'm sorry but if Mala is pregnant, Im not gonna spay her...sorry to who ever disagree's with me but i dont support that...Im only giving out the puppies to people that wont fight them (families, some elders i know, some friends) and thats about it. Im not spaying her...I believe that BSL wont last long in PR.
Call me irresponsible all you want....Mala's happy, Im feeding her (as I can) so I dont feel irresponsible...to me spaying a pitbull IS eliminating them, because by spaying them your stopping them from multiplying, and whats gonna happen in 5 years? Dogs are spayed, and no more pups? I dont wanna kill the breed either....I dont think in the present, I think about the future too man. Do with that what ever you like.
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I dont know if you can READ, but yes im taking her to a vet. Yeah Tonka died, but if im having trouble right NOW getting the money to take Mala to the vet what makes you think I could have taken him?
And I'm sorry but if Mala is pregnant, Im not gonna spay her...sorry to who ever disagree's with me but i dont support that...Im only giving out the puppies to people that wont fight them (families, some elders i know, some friends) and thats about it. Im not spaying her...I believe that BSL wont last long in PR.
Call me irresponsible all you want....Mala's happy, Im feeding her (as I can) so I dont feel irresponsible...to me spaying a pitbull IS eliminating them, because by spaying them your stopping them from multiplying, and whats gonna happen in 5 years? Dogs are spayed, and no more pups? I dont wanna kill the breed either....I dont think in the present, I think about the future too man. Do with that what ever you like.
Do you know how many Pits they put down a day here in the states? The pitbull is not going to disappear. It's the BYB and the people that have accidental litters that are doing more harm than good. If your bitch was in heat you should have known to keep the male away, it's plain ole common sense. That is irresponsible in its own right.
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All I want to say is ... is BSL is such a threat as to not be able to openly and freely take your dog to the vet ... why would you allow more pups to be born into a life where they will have to be hidden and not have provided basic medical care ... and even proper food. I'm not going to beat you in the head just think about it ... Loving your dog sometimes means loving her enough to NOT want her pups in a world of suffering ...... sleep on it please get her fixed ...
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I will probably get smacked for saying this.....

First let me say that you are becoming to defensive over this Lost Soul....

Everyone here is just trying to help......

I recentally did a report on BSL for my AM Politics class with an idea of passing a protection act against APBTs and other large breeds affected by BSL. In this report one of sections of this protection act was that only a certified breeder should breed their animal....

Please hun think about what you are doing....Mala is pregnant, and she may have a SERIOUS diease that WILL BE TRANSMITTED to her puppies (that is if they survive).........Please listen sweetie that not only would be giving INFECTED puppies some older person.....or anyone at that....what happens if this puppy bites another dog?

THE DIEASE WILL SPREAD..........Now you tell me.....Do you honestly feel this is a smart thing to do? Risk the life of other dogs and alow them to die to because of it? How can you live with yourself? Another thing what if Mala CAN'T be cured? Then what your going to keep breeding her? Say you have the average 12 puppies in a litter.....

So that is 12 infected puppies.....Mala gets pregnant again say by the neighbors dog....thats another 12 puppies 12+12= 24 infected dogs....

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Babesia Infection in Dogs

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Seriously do your research on this diease ! You may think it's all fine and dandy now, but you obviously don't understand what you are getting into.

You came to this forum for help....and yet you are arguing with those who feel you aren't being wise with your decisions. Let me ask you a question.....

You are so concerned that spaying your dog is wrong.....so was it wrong for me as a Female and mother to get my tubes tied? Was it wrong for me because I had a serious medical condition that would result in the death of myself? It doesn't make me any less different does it? No of course not.

Please understand what you are doing......A dog is just like having a child...

You need money, food, medical care......Puppies get sick all the time, thats why we have special doctors.....Its NOT fair to a puppy to lock them up because they are banned, and it's not fair for a puppy to be sick and miserable. The goal of GP is to help new and existing owners of Pitties with advice....support
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All I want to say is ... is BSL is such a threat as to not be able to openly and freely take your dog to the vet ... why would you allow more pups to be born into a life where they will have to be hidden and not have provided basic medical care ... and even proper food. I'm not going to beat you in the head just think about it ... Loving your dog sometimes means loving her enough to NOT want her pups in a world of suffering ...... sleep on it please get her fixed ...
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Lostsoul would you want 6- 12 more people in the same boat you are in now. If you think you sre struggling now wait untill you have alitter 2 care for. I usually never sound off on these threads but bro if you take the time to really think your situation through the answer should be obvious.
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You huys are so sickening. He doesn't live in this country. He loves his dog and yet you harp and harp on a person and drive them away.

He has no idea how we value things here just like you have no idea of his values over there.

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Can we see pics of the dog?

Listen i am sure he is trying to do what he can. Whats normal for dog treatment over there may not be the same it is here. I have been to 13 different countries and let me tell you they are all different.

Lets just hope he does well.

Still would like to see pics of his dog .... i'm a visual kinda guy what can i say lol.
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You huys are so sickening. He doesn't live in this country. He loves his dog and yet you harp and harp on a person and drive them away.

He has no idea how we value things here just like you have no idea of his values over there.

If you can not be helpfull don't post.
Sharon-I can't believe you support this. He lives in a BSL area and is breeding more puppies, if they do have Babesia he is breeding infected puppies he is going to sell/give away to spread the disease. So you can have your opinion and we can have ours.

What you are doing IS irresponsible even if you have the best intentions. Your dog may be happy because you feed it but if she is sick and you do not abort the litter you are not helping the APBT cause but hurting it.

If you go to the vet and the test the dog and she is negative (you know they need to run at least 2 tests to make sure) then you still have the issue of placing dogs in a area where they can not be properly taken care because they are illegal. If she does have Babesia and you let he have the litter well..... that is just horrible to peddle and promote sick dogs.

Why did you come here asking for help if you just do not want to hear the answer? You are going to do what ever you want but I at least hope this weighs on your conscience.
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Lisa I support helping a person not harping on them. It is illegal to have pitbulls over there yes but I know it is illegal to have pot and other drugs over here yet you all talk about. One law is no different than the other.

Since Babesia from all I have read is a tick borne diesease and not a disease spread from fighting I don't see how Tonka could have pasted this on. If you have a link that states Babesia is a STD please post it as I couldn't find one.


Like I have stated before I'm here to help not judge. Most of the posts pertaining to Lost.Soul are jugdements against him for having a pitbull in a BSl area. We have had others on this board in the same boat and we helped them in the past. I will continue to help him as I have helped in the past.



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I'm a neutral party (somewhat) but here is proof that Babesia can be spread through dog bitting.....

You have 2 dogs one a retired fighting breed. A female in heat and/or rough playing between dogs. If you look at the video of Mala and the pictures. Mala also seems to have some bad infection on her leg.

Babesia seems to be a parisite that can be contracted through bitting of an infected dog. Salvia and if Tonka was infected chances are Mala is now infected.

The point is either way this young girl (Mala) needs medical attention. Something is wrong obviously with her because she isn't eatting. Pregnant animals tend to eat more and not be choosy when they are pregnant.
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Lisa I support helping a person not harping on them. It is illegal to have pitbulls over there yes but I know it is illegal to have pot and other drugs over here yet you all talk about. One law is no different than the other.

Since Babesia from all I have read is a tick borne diesease and not a disease spread from fighting I don't see how Tonka could have pasted this on. If you have a link that states Babesia is a STD please post it as I couldn't find one.


Like I have stated before I'm here to help not judge. Most of the posts pertaining to Lost.Soul are jugdements against him for having a pitbull in a BSl area. We have had others on this board in the same boat and we helped them in the past. I will continue to help him as I have helped in the past.
Babesia is a blood sport disease and is also spread through fluid transfer (like breeding). Most of what was known about Babesia was that it was tick born, now many game kennels are having out breaks and this is a well known fact in the game dog world. The ADBA has written articles and many have also been posted on GD.com. There is a facility in Canada that is doing all the research on Babesia and many APBT kennels are donating samples for them to study and even some of the biggest yards in the ADBA show world are testing positive.

The lack of knowledge on this is why it is so out of control right now. Any dog from game bred lines should be tested and my kennel is going through the process right now. If I can find the studies I have from that lab that is doing the testing I will add them in a link.

The signs of a sick dog are weight loss, not eating and basically they just wither and die seemingly with no apparent reason. The dog he had was previously fought and I almost guarantee it had this disease but only tests would have confirmed. Babesia is a real problem and like I said it is affecting prominent kennels in the ADBA because ppl are not test the dog for it.
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