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Old 06-03-2010, 12:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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lol, yea my girl used to pull my kid in the wagon.... ah well was just using 40 as an example. but yea, she sound like a big girl. u staying on top of it, hope all works out
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:42 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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well crap, ive already started to mix the beneful with the old yeller to get her back on it...ummm, should i just finish the bag then change again to the foods suggested? i feel bad switchin around but i gota start tryin things out. Shes been on beneful since she was a small pup (sorry if i already stated that, cant remember) and shes never gotten the bumps before. it all kinda started at the same time as when she started going into her first heat AND the change in food.

sorry for all the questions, i cant ask it at the vet cuz they just kinda disregaurd what im saying. i am taking notes and taking all this into action as i get advice, you all have been a great help.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:58 AM   #18 (permalink)
 
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you are very fine, is how we all learn. anyways, didnt wanna mention the food if she was doing okay on it before. but she is very right bout the food, plus some allergy problems dont show up till later.
there is a lot of good info on here, under health and nutrition. there a link to a dog food rating site and many other things pretaining to providing a healthy diet to your dog.
and just cuz it a name brand dog food, ie Purina, IAMS, Science diet ext.... doesnt mean it good
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:22 AM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Yea I've been reading on here bout types of food and popular name brands don't mean its the best. Well from here, ill get the benedryl, search for beter dog food, and make it to the vet next week. If bumps get worse, or something improves, ill keep up with the updates. Ill also post what the Vet says. And gives me. Thank you guys again, ur smarter than my vet! Lol
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:51 AM   #20 (permalink)
 

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My dog has mange (again) and he doesn't have any bumps like that he just has red flaky skin and is loosing hair. The vet prescribed Ivermectin and a shampoo called GlenHaven P2/S, it's like a really really good deep clean for their skin and coat, you lather it in and have them sit for 10 minutes, and he loves it. " Indications: Topical treatment of seborrhea complex and conditions where a degreasing follice-flushing, keratolytic shampoo may be beneficial" Maybe ask your vet about the shampoo and it might help if they THINK its mange...?
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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well crap, ive already started to mix the beneful with the old yeller to get her back on it...ummm, should i just finish the bag then change again to the foods suggested? i feel bad switchin around but i gota start tryin things out. Shes been on beneful since she was a small pup (sorry if i already stated that, cant remember) and shes never gotten the bumps before. it all kinda started at the same time as when she started going into her first heat AND the change in food.

sorry for all the questions, i cant ask it at the vet cuz they just kinda disregaurd what im saying. i am taking notes and taking all this into action as i get advice, you all have been a great help.
You should definitely switch to a grain free. It sounds like she might be developing food sensitivities. A lot of vets (and doctors for that matter) don't believe in certain food sensitivities and that may be why they aren't mentioning it, plus its difficult to test for (so I was told by a vet at one point).

Our dog Brutus used to get yeast infections in his skin all the time. He would itch it until it started oozing and would get all crusty. All they ever did was prescribe antibiotics, which seems to be their answer for everything.

Additionally, Loki was fine on Beneful until about 5 or 6 months when he started vomiting about 5-10 times a day. Vets wanted to perform exploratory surgery but I opted for a diet change and am so happy I did! We feed Taste of the Wild and the dogs love it and it really makes them look amazing. Plus no more skin problems or vomiting!
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
 
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Ok, go it I'm guna deff. Try the diff. Food, and some benedryl. Trying to save on going back to the vet. If bumps don't go away, then it looks like ill have to go.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I don't mean to steal your thunder American pride, but as a long time battler with allergies... Benadryl only serves as a sedative for dogs, it does not ease the discomfort nor take away any inflamation. Dogs do not use this particular people medicine like we do as humans. Ronnie is wonderful with trouble shooting allergies the natural way. I've done the vet approach and holistic.

Get back for a scrape to see if they can't identify it under the microscope... if they can't identify it as mange (which we can help you cure for pennies on the dollar in comparison to what the vet charges). Then we can realistically deduce it to an actual allergy, and we can help you hop, skip, or jump over the vets expenses that they use "to see if it will work". E.I. we can help you find the RIGHT food for your dog, as well as help you trouble shoot on removing allergens within your dogs daily life, tell you the vet products that work, and help you find the natural approach.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:31 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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Alright. I did wana take the lil samples I've been gathering into the vet so they can see what I'm actually talking about. They actually said that they couldn't really see any of the bumps...which I kept pointing out and they were like yeaaa can't really see them. The nurse AND doc were on the friggen floor with my dog. I'm like are u serious??? RIGHT THERE! Lol

So when I gave her a bath with her oatmeal shampoo yesterday and dabbed the bumps with alcohol, this morning I noticed the swelling of them went down, but still visible. They seem to go away after I clean the area of the bump, like get the scabby or crusty dry skin and fur off. But then come right back in a diff. Spot. Should I just leave them alone? Could I be spreading it?
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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Alright. I did wana take the lil samples I've been gathering into the vet so they can see what I'm actually talking about. They actually said that they couldn't really see any of the bumps...which I kept pointing out and they were like yeaaa can't really see them. The nurse AND doc were on the friggen floor with my dog. I'm like are u serious??? RIGHT THERE! Lol

So when I gave her a bath with her oatmeal shampoo yesterday and dabbed the bumps with alcohol, this morning I noticed the swelling of them went down, but still visible. They seem to go away after I clean the area of the bump, like get the scabby or crusty dry skin and fur off. But then come right back in a diff. Spot. Should I just leave them alone? Could I be spreading it?
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:52 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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hope this helps

Demodex & Demodetic Mange:
Mange is a parasitic skin disease caused by microscopic mites. Two different mange mites cause skin disease in dogs. One lives just under the surface of the skin ,while the other resides in the hair follicles. Although both mites share some similar characteristics, there are also important differences. It is important not to confuse the two types of mange because they have different causes, treatments, and prognoses.

Demodectic mange, sometimes just called "demodex", is the most common form of mange in dogs. It is caused by the demodectic mange mite, a parasite which lives in the hair follicles of affected dogs. Under the microscope, this mite appears shaped like an alligator with 8 legs. All dogs (and many humans) have a few of these mites on their skin. As long as the body's immune system is functioning, these mites cause no harm.
Demodectic mange most often occurs when a dog has an immature immune system, allowing the mites to grow rapidly. Therefore, this disease occurs primarily in dogs less than 12-18 months of age. In most cases, as a dog matures, the immune system also matures. Adult dogs which have the disease usually have defective immune systems. Since the mite is found on virtually all dogs, exposure of a normal dog to one with demodectic mange is not dangerous.

Development of the immune system is under genetic control. Thus, an affected dog usually comes from a litter containing other affected puppies. Owners of litter mates should be put on the alert to watch for it. Because the disease, or more appropriately, the weak immune system, can be due to a hereditary properties...affected dogs (case-by-case) should usually not be bred. Also, parents of the affected dog should be evaluated for the possibilty of them producing a hereditarily weak immune system, and then owners and their vets need to determine whether that dog should be bred ever again. In most cases, those dogs should not be bred.
Surprisingly, a dog with demodectic mange does not itch severely, even though it loses hair in patches. Areas of bare skin will be seen. The hair loss usually begins on the face, especially around the eyes. When there are only a few patches of hair loss, it is termed localized demodectic mange. If the disease spreads to many areas of the skin, it becomes generalized demodectic mange.

The small, localized form is usually treated with topical medication. The generalized form is usually INEFFECTIVELY treated with shampoo therapy and a special "dip". The best and most effective way to treat this is a oral dose of a chemical called "Ivermectin." This chemical, typically used in cattle and swine to treat several types of worms and mites also serves as probably the best solution to the Demodetic problem. Many Vets don't know about this solution and if they do, Aren't allowed to use it. In our extensive experience...this is the best solution for an immune system that cannot fight off Demo. *You should always allow a growing dog ample time to develop their immune system before you use a toxic chemical such as Ivermectin. If they can fight it, you know you will have a healthy dog with strong immunities. It also works well against Heart Worm infection. Shampooing with special cleansing shampoos helps to flush out the hair follicles as well.

For dogs with generalized demodectic mange, secondary skin infections may represent a complicating factor requiring antibiotic therapy. Dogs with skin infections have very red, inflamed skin. This is the source of the term "red mange."

Treatment of the localized form is generally successful. Treatment of the generalized form is also usually successful. However, if the immune system is defective, neither the mites nor the infection may respond to treatment.

Because the immune system does not mature until 12-18 months of age, a dog with demodectic mange may have relapses until that age. It is important for re-treatment to begin promptly to minimize the possibility of developing uncontrollable problems . Demodectic mange may also occur in very old dogs because function of the immune system often declines with age. Dogs who have immune suppression due to illness or medication are also candidates for demodectic mange.
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:56 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
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That was a great sorce of info. Thank you. So which would be the appropriate thing to do, take her in or ride it out because she's only 9 months. Somethings telling me to just take her in, then all questions mite finally be answered. I can take my samples, and suggest what you guys have said about the demodex and the food allergies.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:03 AM   #28 (permalink)
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You can take the samples in but it would be better if they take the samples fresh from the site ...... honestly annoyed they didn't do this the first time and your even having to go through this mess for what a 4th time .... You want to know once and for all what it is so that you can deal with it accordingly, mange and allergies you can take different approaches on ......
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:20 AM   #29 (permalink)
 
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You're right. even though this is extremely stressful, and having to go back AGAIN is rediculous, im neer guna get 100% ...even 99% sure answers. i know they mite not be able to do much with the old samps. but maybe at least they can see what im talking about with the scabby/crusty stuff at the ends of the fur folicals, you know what I mean? I explained that to them before (like everything else lol) but they didnt do much with that info. Here are pics from today (june 3) Bumps swells have gone down, but still remain. now mainly on the middle of her back and the nap of her neck.


this is a pic of the circlular patch that lost a lil hair. it really sticks out because of the hair around it. I moved the hair out of the way so maybe you guys can see a lil better.


heres the top of her head again, this area and the nap of the neck is where she gets the bumps the MOST. But im not so sure thats how it will remain, like i said they are popin up all over her back.
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:44 AM   #30 (permalink)
 
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starsmoma - not so sure you would be spreading it, but without knowing exactly what it is cant say for certain. def can see them clear as day in ur pics. would be best if you and your vet can find the source of the problem, and then will be able to treat it properly. keep on em and good luck

Indigo - hey partner. aint no thunder to steal. am not a vet, not a doc, dont think i'm some dog man. hell, wouldnt even say im a smart man considering that the things i do know dont compare to the many things in this world i know nothing about.
the only reason i chimed in is because the bumps on her dog resemble the same thing i went thru with my dog. course may be something completely different, but sounds more long the lines of allergies and not mange.
now, i would never give anyone any advise that would harm their dog. and if i do not know what im talking about, i keep my mouth shut. granted benadryl wasnt designed for animals, however if it is allergy related it WILL provide some relief for the dog and will NOT do any harm.
if the dog is constantly scratching, will eventually break skin, can cause infections and other problems on top of what she is already dealing with.
is why i brought up allergies, asked bout food, shampoo, and anything that might be the actual cause. can be a challenge, kinda have to go thru a process of elimination. No, benadryl is not a fix, but if my past experience can help the lady out and provide her dog a little relief until her or her vet can determine the actual cause, great. if not, NO harm done. my vet where i got the whole benadryl thing from anyways, worked good for my dog.
dogs dont drive or operate heavy equipment, think she can deal with a lil drowsiness
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