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Old 06-12-2010, 04:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Old 06-12-2010, 04:47 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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DON'T PANIC! Sorry you got some bad advice from some newer members with little experience, this is treatable without a vet.

Your puppy is knuckling over it happens when a puppy grows too fast and the ligament that hold the leg in place grows faster than the leg bone. When that happens the ligament is lose and cannot hold the leg in place.

I had the same thing happen with my gamebred dog and the same thing started to happen to her puppies at 7 weeks old. They are 9 weeks now and because I knew what was going on I was able to correct it right away and they are fine now. The dog who had it when she was young is a working dog and it has had no effect on her what so ever as an adult.

You need to switch food to a lower protein adult food for a while then go back on puppy food. You said you are feeding nutro (an ok food) but you need to switch to an adult food with lower protein. You need something like 24% or lower, I feed Kirkland chicken and rice from costco and the puppy food is 28% but the adult chicken is 24%. Kirkland is basically the same as nutro but it is made by a better company and is better quality. Now matter what food you feed you need lower protein and it will take a few weeks but it will correct it's self. I would also wrap the puppies legs or make a splint so the bone does not start to bow out but again this should all correct in a few weeks.

So again don't panic this happens to many breeds including APBT's and bullies, you do not need to go to the vet yet save your money, just switch food for about 2 months and you will be fine. Once this corrects you can go back on puppy food or do a 50/50 mix.
If you have any more questions just ask or you can even PM me. take a deep breath it will be ok.
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Old 06-12-2010, 05:03 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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DON'T PANIC! Sorry you got some bad advice from some newer members with little experience, this is treatable without a vet.

Your puppy is knuckling over it happens when a puppy grows too fast and the ligament that hold the leg in place grows faster than the leg bone. When that happens the ligament is lose and cannot hold the leg in place.

I had the same thing happen with my gamebred dog and the same thing started to happen to her puppies at 7 weeks old. They are 9 weeks now and because I knew what was going on I was able to correct it right away and they are fine now. The dog who had it when she was young is a working dog and it has had no effect on her what so ever as an adult.

You need to switch food to a lower protein adult food for a while then go back on puppy food. You said you are feeding nutro (an ok food) but you need to switch to an adult food with lower protein. You need something like 24% or lower, I feed Kirkland chicken and rice from costco and the puppy food is 28% but the adult chicken is 24%. Kirkland is basically the same as nutro but it is made by a better company and is better quality. Now matter what food you feed you need lower protein and it will take a few weeks but it will correct it's self. I would also wrap the puppies legs or make a splint so the bone does not start to bow out but again this should all correct in a few weeks.

So again don't panic this happens to many breeds including APBT's and bullies, you do not need to go to the vet yet save your money, just switch food for about 2 months and you will be fine. Once this corrects you can go back on puppy food or do a 50/50 mix.
If you have any more questions just ask or you can even PM me. take a deep breath it will be ok.
Right on Lisa, I would never offer treatment advice without a vet because I have never treated it myself. I'm glad you chimed in with a treatment plan :-)
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I would have freaked out also if my puppies legs started doing that. MMZero2009, I wish your cute puppy a swift recovery and many days of running ahead.
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Old 06-12-2010, 05:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
 

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Thank you so much !!! you really helped...everybody!, well I have a mini toy poodle who eats adult food, i am going to ask my mom what kind of food it is and if I can see the bag because usually when I feed my poodle named "Papi" and my pitbull Balls, he usually starts devouring papi's food and he starts crying lol... so maybe that was an indicator that he needs adult food? but thank you so much everybody and especially to you performanceknls! you were a huge help! now after that problem is solved I will start to train the little one to do exercise, I have seen some neat exercise routines that trainers do with they're pups, so I am going to try it out, I will keep it easy though as his leg is rather crooked O_o.
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DON'T PANIC! Sorry you got some bad advice from some newer members with little experience, this is treatable without a vet.

Your puppy is knuckling over it happens when a puppy grows too fast and the ligament that hold the leg in place grows faster than the leg bone. When that happens the ligament is lose and cannot hold the leg in place.

I had the same thing happen with my gamebred dog and the same thing started to happen to her puppies at 7 weeks old. They are 9 weeks now and because I knew what was going on I was able to correct it right away and they are fine now. The dog who had it when she was young is a working dog and it has had no effect on her what so ever as an adult.

You need to switch food to a lower protein adult food for a while then go back on puppy food. You said you are feeding nutro (an ok food) but you need to switch to an adult food with lower protein. You need something like 24% or lower, I feed Kirkland chicken and rice from costco and the puppy food is 28% but the adult chicken is 24%. Kirkland is basically the same as nutro but it is made by a better company and is better quality. Now matter what food you feed you need lower protein and it will take a few weeks but it will correct it's self. I would also wrap the puppies legs or make a splint so the bone does not start to bow out but again this should all correct in a few weeks.

So again don't panic this happens to many breeds including APBT's and bullies, you do not need to go to the vet yet save your money, just switch food for about 2 months and you will be fine. Once this corrects you can go back on puppy food or do a 50/50 mix.
If you have any more questions just ask or you can even PM me. take a deep breath it will be ok.
You and I have conversed briefly about the protein content in kibble when I questioned the percentage in some of the top dollar food. I still don't understand why these companies push such high protein when it can adversely affect the pup. Seriously, can someone give me an answer?
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
 

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You are right saint francis, that is kind of odd why companies put so much protein into they're food. My mom has recently told me she bought my toy poodle kibbles and bits brand dog food which is this one right here

Walmart.com: Kibbles 'n Bits: Mini Bits Savory Chicken & Beef Dog Food, 17.6 lb: Dogs

http://www.kibblesnbits.com/varieties/original.aspx

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Here is the nutrition facts, is this good food to feed him? its low on protein !

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Kibbles n bits if CRAP! feed a decent food like nutro, you have already been feeding that so I would just put him on adult. Look for a chicken based food it will have lower protein. You also have to look at the back of the back not any adult food will do. You need one with lower protein and fat. Also like I told you in the pm, you said your going to the vet so have her show you how to do a good splint to keep that leg straight while it heals.
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
 

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I Will and thanks I am about to call her to see what she recommends, I am also going to petco/petsmart today to buy him vitamins for him, I think that will also help the pup...hopefully.... and I need to buy him toys because the only toy he has is my toy poodle, and he keeps annoying him a lot lol
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Ive had two pups start knuckling and they have been corrected. I also helped a good friend of mine on here who had an entire litter start knuckling, her name on here is Bluefamily. lisa (performance kennels) is right, it is simply corrected with a good diet and it is NOT a condition that is hereditary. Do not let your puppy run or do a lot of jumping right now which can cause issues down the road.

These major dog food brands are pushing the "higher protien" gimmick shearly for their own profit. The american mind set is more is better, and most people automatically assume "more protien means bigger muscles" while higher protien can play an affect on a dogs muscles if the dog is extremely active like a working dog... the average dog owner does not need high protien. You also need to take into account that it is more of a "protien to water ratio" not necessarily protien period. High protien in a raw diet is better for your dog than high protien in a kibble because the water is what helps your dog process that protien.

I personally made the switch to a lower protien food which is an all life stages not necessarily an adult formula. I used d*ck Van Pattens Natural Balance L.I.D. Fish and sweet potato which is a 21% protien. Oh yeah, do not give any extra calcium supplements until the knuckling is gone. You don't want to help the bones strengthen and harden the way they are right now.

EDIT EDIT: I was lucky enough not to have to use any splints.
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Since you said your going to petsmart this is what I would recommend it is 21% protein and a good food.
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I agree I would also not do any vitamins till this is over.
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Thank you, me and my mom are going to go right now to pets mart to see what I can buy him, I will look into the food you assigned to me performanceknls, thanks so much, I called the vets here and they charge 47$ for an exam + the xrays and stuff they will give the dog, I think that is expensive! i dont have that kind of money to be spending at the moment but I will try the food and make sure he is not jumping or running, thanks a lot and I will see what happens after i feed him this food for awhile!
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if you cant afford vet stuff you really dont need to be buying puppies


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Well i bought him this food, i havent opened it because i want an opinion to see if this doggie food is good.


Senior Dog Food | Dry Kibble | NUTRO® ULTRA™ Dog Food

it has CRUDE PROTEIN 22%
CRUDE FAT 11.00
CRUDE FIBER 4.00
MOISTURE 10.00
ARGININE 1.00
LYSINE 0.75
LINOLEIC ACID 3.50
ZINC 250 mg/kg
IODINE 5MG/KG
SELENIUM 0.30MG/KG
VITAMIN E 250UI/KG
TAURINE 0.12
ASCORBIC ACID 60MG/KG
DOCOSAHEXAENOIC ACID (DHA) 0.10
Alpha-Linolenic acid (ALA) 0.50
L-CARTININE 75MG
BETA CAROTENE 0.50
CHONDROITIN SULFATE 100MG/KG
GLUCOSAMINE 150MG/KG
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Like I said in the pm I would not put a puppy on senior food it has things he does not need and can make things worse. You need an ADULT food not senior food.

Also if you vet charges 47 for exam and x-rays that is CHEAP! Most vets charge 40-50 for an exam and you are going to need a series of Vaccines and it is not cheap. Owning a dog is not cheap and while you can do it on a budget it does cost money. If you dog gets truly sick you need to think of how you are going to get him medical attention and I know you mentioned going to Mexico but what if you can't wait for that?

You sound like a young kid how old are you? If you are a minor you need to talk to your parents about what they are going to do if your puppy at some point gets sick. It will happen at some point and it is best to have a game plan ahead of time.
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