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Old 11-18-2010, 10:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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My vet told me 6 months was the best time. I don't have to worry about Beia having pups,cause Bruno is fixed,and they never get out without me being there...So i don't really HAVE to get her spayed,I just want to...cause you never know.
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Old 11-18-2010, 11:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I have chosen to leave all of my dogs intact. I have had 3 males and they all have kept their parts. I think that the risk of getting the cancer in the man parts is so small it isn't worth it. I have seen many dogs gain tooo much weight from being fixed, and I cannot deprive my dogs of food just to keep them not fat. I would have gotten them fixed-maybe, but Jay is very against it, and I will not go behind his back and do it, it isn't that important to me.

I have read in many places that you should at least wait until they are a year old, but that if possible you should wait until atleast 2 so they fully develope, which requires hormones they get from all their parts, missing part=missing something else somewhere, which could just be growth....who knows.
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Old 11-19-2010, 12:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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My dog Gracie is a rescue who was spayed at 11 weeks after being removed from her previous owners. I had never heard of spaying that young, but both the shelter I adopted her from and her current vet didn't think it was too young.

She is almost 10 months old now and has experienced a couple of episodes of urinating in her sleep. After a vet check to rule out a UTI, it was determined to be spay incontinence.

Apparently it is very common in spayed females. The lack of estrogen in their bodies weakens the pelvic floor muscles allowing "leaks" to occur.
Gracie will need to be on an estrogen supplement (Diethylstilbestrol -DES) the rest of her life.

I believe the jury's still out on whether spay incontinence is more prevalent in pediatric spays or not.

Yes, there are risks when it comes to spaying/neutering our pets, but the benefit of knowing I won't accidentally be contributing to the addition of more unwanted puppies and cats into this world is a risk I am willing to take.
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Yes, there are risks when it comes to spaying/neutering our pets, but the benefit of knowing I won't accidentally be contributing to the addition of more unwanted puppies and cats into this world is a risk I am willing to take.
And is there a benefit to feeding your dog meds for the rest of her life? I would rather pay for the pill/shot that terminates the pregnancy than paying for the estrogen supplement for the rest of her life.

I'm skeptical of all the foreign things we human give to our dogs, and then we wonder why or how they developed cancer or diseases/problems.

Based on your experience, I think validates waiting until they develop the "normal" way before cutting them open.
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And is there a benefit to feeding your dog meds for the rest of her life? I would rather pay for the pill/shot that terminates the pregnancy than paying for the estrogen supplement for the rest of her life.

I'm skeptical of all the foreign things we human give to our dogs, and then we wonder why or how they developed cancer or diseases/problems.

Based on your experience, I think validates waiting until they develop the "normal" way before cutting them open.

Not to get off the subject but most vets are unreal.

My brother's rescue dog was brought to get the low cost spay program, I am pretty sure they gave the poor dog another rabies shot when my brother specifically told the shelter he had already done it a week before.

Then my sister in law takes the dog to the vet, they are trying to tell her that Canidae is really bad for the dog because of the protein levels and that it will make the dog fat. Then they write her out a prescription for SCIENCE DIET lol

By the way look how fat this dog is:




THen I have more lol.. the vet recommends a teeth cleaning which means putting the dog under anasthetics again within the same month and also recommended given the poor dog the bordetall vaccine in one week even though they just found she has it now and she is on meds for it.

Talk about trying to steal newbie dog owner's money and hurting a poor dog in the process...
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:48 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I've had dogs for 22 yrs all but 2 were neutered or spayed and I've never had any problem ..........
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:54 PM   #37 (permalink)
 

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three of my cats got fat when spayed two of these are dead now other than that they lived very long without problems. My newest cat is the only one ive seen not get big shes still tiny. My sisters pug was cut but hes still very active and I dont think hes fat for a pug at all. I walked the out of him and he kept up just fine. My dog will be cut once hes older I dont think theres anything wrong with it imo.

As for the vet I guess it just depends on each vet I have a pretty good one cause they dont do alot of these stuff people say they have experienced but maybe I just got lucky
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Its diet which makes them fat ..... I can show you 7 think cats all neutered and spayed early the oldest being 18 yrs old, had one pass away from renal failure 23 yrs old.
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My one kitty Khloe got tremendously fat, she looks like a miniture kitten Buddah her brother is in monster muscular shape and they were fixed back to back. My queen Tara was fixed two years ago and she is in perfect shape, I guess it depends on the anima.
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THen I have more lol.. the vet recommends a teeth cleaning which means putting the dog under anasthetics again within the same month and also recommended given the poor dog the bordetall vaccine in one week even though they just found she has it now and she is on meds for it.Talk about trying to steal newbie dog owner's money and hurting a poor dog in the process...
Red- if the dog needs a dental it can be life changing to have the excess tarter/plaque build up removed that will poor bacteria into a dogs body effecting the heart and lungs and other organ so this is unreasonable

Purple- by giving a borditella vac to a dog that has already been infected you can reduce recovery time by half

Sorry David but I believe the vet if they say this is what is needed not that they are just trying to get money. It sounds like they gave completely reasonable advice IMO
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well not sure about that since all my cats got the same diet but ya all lived long except the one that got killed by dogs
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Red- if the dog needs a dental it can be life changing to have the excess tarter/plaque build up removed that will poor bacteria into a dogs body effecting the heart and lungs and other organ so this is unreasonable

Purple- by giving a borditella vac to a dog that has already been infected you can reduce recovery time by half

Sorry David but I believe the vet if they say this is what is needed not that they are just trying to get money. It sounds like they gave completely reasonable advice IMO
So if the dog's inmune system is currently battling the infection it is ok to introduce more of it or possibly a different strain during this period? I don't see how that makes any sense, a vaccine is simply a modified version of the virus or a dead virus that stimulates the inmune system to come up with the antibodies for this. If the body is already infected and weakened I don't see the benefit, plus the dog just got surgery last week. If you over stress the inmune system enough the dog can even get mange, it happened to my friend's staff with over vaccination.

A good diet could be the answer, I will have my dog's teeth cleaned but when he is older around 6 or so, this shelter dog is only 2 or 3. Since this was a shelter dog with a terrible diet perhaps a raw diet even raw bones to chew is much better in my opinion than putting this dog down again in the same month. I understand bad teeth in humans or dogs can be very harmful but I know for a fact the right diet and chewing toys/bones can make a huge difference.

I am sure if they are prescribing one of the worst feeds in the market they are going after it for the money.
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i have 4 cats and non are fat, but they only get fed 1/2 a cup once a day, i see indoor cats living to 18-20 ALL the time, fat cats don't make it as far though
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Were they neutered/spayed before 6 months of age?

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Sorry David but I believe the vet if they say this is what is needed not that they are just trying to get money. It sounds like they gave completely reasonable advice IMO
So you think that the prescription for Science Diet was reasonable too? I'm the type of person that once you try and play me, the rest that comes out of your mouth is blah blah blah, so I would not have even heard the rest of the vet's "recommendations/prescriptions".
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So you think that the prescription for Science Diet was reasonable too? I'm the type of person that once you try and play me, the rest that comes out of your mouth is blah blah blah, so I would not have even heard the rest of the vet's "recommendations/prescriptions".
I just tune my vet out after she starts talking about neutering Bernie.
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