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Than your risking more serious injury by not doing so to make yourself feel better about the situation. If your dog sees the crate as a positive and is correctly trained with it than it wouldnt be an issue. Its better to crate for 1 month and just going out to stretch and use the bathroom than it is to risk a worse injury just because you dont feel its right or needed.

But hey dont listen to sound advice from here about this or dog parks, you will learn the hard way eventually.
You under the assumption my dog will be walking around. Which she wont be. Nor hasnt since the injury happened. She just is laying on the couch instead. Like I said I wasnt opposed unless I had to. After talking to the vet based off the injury it isnt needed. And laying on the couch or bed would be just as good.
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You know the history and think you can fight genetics? Dont come crying here when the inevitable happens. Want support for the dog park? You chose the wrong forum and breed for that.

Hey what do i know, i only have grown up with the APBT owning dogs from game lines to mixes and Bandogges. You must know so much more than people like myself and PK. While were at it the vast majority of owners with real experiences.

Its people like you further damaging this breed and i have zero sympathy for when it hits the fan, if you truly own an APBT you are not going to escape nature. If you truly know DA and the genetics of it you must know you could be taking your dogs to the park for 10 years, it only takes 1 situation for DA to show which from that point on its full blown. This isnt some maltipoo you can train DA out of, its something you responsibly DEAL with as it comes hand to hand.

Again, you can have all the training and titles you want doesn't change history and genetics. I hope for the sake of this breed you stop owning APBT's and any form of.

Also you keep throwing your CGC, Therapy and "advanced" training out like were supposed to be floored and impressed. None of this has anything to do with DA and i have no idea who your trainer is but i've never known of 1 respectable trainer to train in dog parks just for the fact of the diseases your dog can catch let alone bringing a breed such as this in there. For that matter, even bad trainers (some at least) know better.
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Support for the dog park?! Wtf My post was NEVER intended to be a stupid dog park post. I am not defending dog parks, not defending pb and dog parks. Just defending MY dogs. And what inevitable event has already happened?

-Trainer did it as a additional class, it was a exercise to get your dogs used to listening to your commands under extreme distraction scenarios.

- Not trying to throw it out to impress ( though it does seem like it, when I read it it sounds like that), i just think its important to know that they have these qualifications since they go to the park.

-Also owned pits for over 20 years. But unlike most people on here my family rescues pits. We also volunteer for Bark Foundation. And have volunteered at Villalobos several times (before they moved they were like 6 exits away from me) for dog walking. also have volunteered at the North Hollywood Animal shelter. My family has adopted out 7 pits none have had any violent episodes. And unlike most people on here and adding to the problem by breeding additional pitbulls, if for some reason I or my family needs another dog we rescue them.

Im such a horrible pb owner right? Jeez. I should be nominated for worst dog owner of the year.
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Good Gawd I just put ur crap alllll the way in the red.

Your last post just explained it all.You've owned rescues.I bet none of them were even apbt's.The dogs in your avatar don't even look like apbt's.But oh well.If there's "pit" blood even in there anywhere the dog can still become DA at any time and wah wah wah wah wah since all you're hearing is the Charlie Brown teacher voice when any of us talk anyways
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You may not be "okaying" dog parks however that is not what any of us are talking about. What we are talking about (at least I am) is the fact you take YOUR dogs to the park. You can say its not wise however when your actions are different than what you preach, others are bound to follow your actions based on your experiences which in part, is the problem. The rest of the problem is the fact that no amount of training, regardless of how well an american pit bull terrier is trained, you can not take the fight out of the dog. "You can take the dog out of the fight but not the fight out of the dog" comes to mind.

You are, in fact risking a great deal with your rescues. It does not matter how they were bred if they are Colby, Jocko or a mix. If theres enough APBT the genes that represent the traits for fighting is a dominate gene. With a well trained APBT you can, infact gain more control in situations no one is denying that fact. However a true fight that is bound to happen, no amount of training, high recall, etc is going to bring your dog back in the middle of a fight. A break stick, the safest method of breaking up a fight is as a general rule, the main hope of accomplishing a safe separation.

If a dog bites yours, even if yours just nips the other but does in fact injure to some degree or form, there is a high risk (some areas higher than others) for BSL to be raised. Which in return does not just effect YOUR dogs it effects many people which is WHY (in part) people are going to get heated on this subject.

Its your dogs and you have the right to do what ever you chose with your dogs however denying what your risking is just ignorant. At least admit to yourself what your putting at stake.

If you are truly knowledgable about the breed you would know theres no breed called Pit Bull. There is the American Pit Bull Terrier and thats it. American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, etc are all separate breeds but to those that are generally uneducated are grouped as Pit Bull. Perhaps your just shortening it, but for many including myself, gives the impression you may not have as much knowledge as you believe you do.

Its a good thing you are doing rescuing, DA can also be much less in a mix than in a purebred but not always the case. Kilie, my second mix of the APBT is more of a bulldog than many out there and shes not a purebred dog.

Rescuing is a noble thing, it doesn't mean you are a horrible owner and doesn't mean you are a responsible owner. I've known people who have owned one breed (not just this breed) for years, longer than most on this board and still know very little about the dogs of their choice because they chose not to learn. They chose to go by what others say and the "popular" way of thinking. Sure, generally experience is where the knowledge is however its not always the case.

Understanding the breed, even partially while still taking the risk you are is not be responsible. Theres no way it can be considered. Its not socializing your dog, its only allowing him to play with others. Both your dogs may be happy doing so, but eventually it will come down to that one moment where it all changes. Of all the people ive seen and heard of taking this breed and others with genetic DA risks to dog parks, i have never once been proven wrong with my beliefs and views on the subject. Eventually, no matter how much trust, training etc you put in the dog you can't control whats a given when you set your dog up for failure.

Continue to do so if you wish, eventually as i have said before you will learn the hard way.

Aside from all this information, Parvovirus, Giardia, Distemper, Leptospirosis and Kennel Cough all are very common diseases in the dog park.. Even caught up on shots i wouldn't want to risk it. Even if you had all your shots, would you walk into a room with 5 highly contagious diseases infecting people? I doubt it, so why do it to your dog?
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You may not be "okaying" dog parks however that is not what any of us are talking about. What we are talking about (at least I am) is the fact you take YOUR dogs to the park. You can say its not wise however when your actions are different than what you preach, others are bound to follow your actions based on your experiences which in part, is the problem. The rest of the problem is the fact that no amount of training, regardless of how well an american pit bull terrier is trained, you can not take the fight out of the dog. "You can take the dog out of the fight but not the fight out of the dog" comes to mind.

You are, in fact risking a great deal with your rescues. It does not matter how they were bred if they are Colby, Jocko or a mix. If theres enough APBT the genes that represent the traits for fighting is a dominate gene. With a well trained APBT you can, infact gain more control in situations no one is denying that fact. However a true fight that is bound to happen, no amount of training, high recall, etc is going to bring your dog back in the middle of a fight. A break stick, the safest method of breaking up a fight is as a general rule, the main hope of accomplishing a safe separation.

If a dog bites yours, even if yours just nips the other but does in fact injure to some degree or form, there is a high risk (some areas higher than others) for BSL to be raised. Which in return does not just effect YOUR dogs it effects many people which is WHY (in part) people are going to get heated on this subject.

Its your dogs and you have the right to do what ever you chose with your dogs however denying what your risking is just ignorant. At least admit to yourself what your putting at stake.

If you are truly knowledgable about the breed you would know theres no breed called Pit Bull. There is the American Pit Bull Terrier and thats it. American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, etc are all separate breeds but to those that are generally uneducated are grouped as Pit Bull. Perhaps your just shortening it, but for many including myself, gives the impression you may not have as much knowledge as you believe you do.

Its a good thing you are doing rescuing, DA can also be much less in a mix than in a purebred but not always the case. Kilie, my second mix of the APBT is more of a bulldog than many out there and shes not a purebred dog.

Rescuing is a noble thing, it doesn't mean you are a horrible owner and doesn't mean you are a responsible owner. I've known people who have owned one breed (not just this breed) for years, longer than most on this board and still know very little about the dogs of their choice because they chose not to learn. They chose to go by what others say and the "popular" way of thinking. Sure, generally experience is where the knowledge is however its not always the case.

Understanding the breed, even partially while still taking the risk you are is not be responsible. Theres no way it can be considered. Its not socializing your dog, its only allowing him to play with others. Both your dogs may be happy doing so, but eventually it will come down to that one moment where it all changes. Of all the people ive seen and heard of taking this breed and others with genetic DA risks to dog parks, i have never once been proven wrong with my beliefs and views on the subject. Eventually, no matter how much trust, training etc you put in the dog you can't control whats a given when you set your dog up for failure.

Continue to do so if you wish, eventually as i have said before you will learn the hard way.

Aside from all this information, Parvovirus, Giardia, Distemper, Leptospirosis and Kennel Cough all are very common diseases in the dog park.. Even caught up on shots i wouldn't want to risk it. Even if you had all your shots, would you walk into a room with 5 highly contagious diseases infecting people? I doubt it, so why do it to your dog?
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I did crate train my dog. She also hasn't needed to be since like 16 weeks old. Like I said in a perevious post. I just don't want to if I DONT NEED to. My place isn't some huge house where she can wander. Had to move to an apt for 6 months to help save to buy a place by oct. I just don't want to playthe bad guy, and make her stay in a crate for 1 month or so. Let me emphasize, I didn't want to do this unless needed.
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You under the assumption my dog will be walking around. Which she wont be. Nor hasnt since the injury happened. She just is laying on the couch instead. Like I said I wasnt opposed unless I had to. After talking to the vet based off the injury it isnt needed. And laying on the couch or bed would be just as good.
Find a new vet your vet is full of Any self respecting vet would recommend crate rest for a partially torn ACL to help aid in the recovery. I deal with sports dogs all the time and injuries from simple sprains to completely torn ligaments, crate rest is essential a simple slip on the floor could completely tear it. The reason for crates is to completely immobilize the dog and let the leg heal. Walking, getting on the couch, going up or down steps, any of that should be avoided and the only way to do so is a crate.

Again it sounds like you have all the answers but I wish you would listen to reason, crate rest is the best chance to heal the dog since you cannot afford to get surgery right now. Once the surgery is done, crate rest will be another essential part of the healing process.
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Find a new vet your vet is full of Any self respecting vet would recommend crate rest for a partially torn ACL to help aid in the recovery. I deal with sports dogs all the time and injuries from simple sprains to completely torn ligaments, crate rest is essential a simple slip on the floor could completely tear it. The reason for crates is to completely immobilize the dog and let the leg heal. Walking, getting on the couch, going up or down steps, any of that should be avoided and the only way to do so is a crate.

Again it sounds like you have all the answers but I wish you would listen to reason, crate rest is the best chance to heal the dog since you cannot afford to get surgery right now. Once the surgery is done, crate rest will be another essential part of the healing process.
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Find a new vet your vet is full of Any self respecting vet would recommend crate rest for a partially torn ACL to help aid in the recovery. I deal with sports dogs all the time and injuries from simple sprains to completely torn ligaments, crate rest is essential a simple slip on the floor could completely tear it. The reason for crates is to completely immobilize the dog and let the leg heal. Walking, getting on the couch, going up or down steps, any of that should be avoided and the only way to do so is a crate.

Again it sounds like you have all the answers but I wish you would listen to reason, crate rest is the best chance to heal the dog since you cannot afford to get surgery right now. Once the surgery is done, crate rest will be another essential part of the healing process.
Have you even read this thread? There was no ACL injury. It was a front left toe fracture.... I thought at first it could of been something like that. And their is no surgery needed. If my doc said I needed to crate, I wouldve. She just out of commission 1-2 months
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You may not be "okaying" dog parks however that is not what any of us are talking about. What we are talking about (at least I am) is the fact you take YOUR dogs to the park. You can say its not wise however when your actions are different than what you preach, others are bound to follow your actions based on your experiences which in part, is the problem. The rest of the problem is the fact that no amount of training, regardless of how well an american pit bull terrier is trained, you can not take the fight out of the dog. "You can take the dog out of the fight but not the fight out of the dog" comes to mind.

You are, in fact risking a great deal with your rescues. It does not matter how they were bred if they are Colby, Jocko or a mix. If theres enough APBT the genes that represent the traits for fighting is a dominate gene. With a well trained APBT you can, infact gain more control in situations no one is denying that fact. However a true fight that is bound to happen, no amount of training, high recall, etc is going to bring your dog back in the middle of a fight. A break stick, the safest method of breaking up a fight is as a general rule, the main hope of accomplishing a safe separation.

If a dog bites yours, even if yours just nips the other but does in fact injure to some degree or form, there is a high risk (some areas higher than others) for BSL to be raised. Which in return does not just effect YOUR dogs it effects many people which is WHY (in part) people are going to get heated on this subject.

Its your dogs and you have the right to do what ever you chose with your dogs however denying what your risking is just ignorant. At least admit to yourself what your putting at stake.

If you are truly knowledgable about the breed you would know theres no breed called Pit Bull. There is the American Pit Bull Terrier and thats it. American Bully, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, etc are all separate breeds but to those that are generally uneducated are grouped as Pit Bull. Perhaps your just shortening it, but for many including myself, gives the impression you may not have as much knowledge as you believe you do.

Its a good thing you are doing rescuing, DA can also be much less in a mix than in a purebred but not always the case. Kilie, my second mix of the APBT is more of a bulldog than many out there and shes not a purebred dog.

Rescuing is a noble thing, it doesn't mean you are a horrible owner and doesn't mean you are a responsible owner. I've known people who have owned one breed (not just this breed) for years, longer than most on this board and still know very little about the dogs of their choice because they chose not to learn. They chose to go by what others say and the "popular" way of thinking. Sure, generally experience is where the knowledge is however its not always the case.

Understanding the breed, even partially while still taking the risk you are is not be responsible. Theres no way it can be considered. Its not socializing your dog, its only allowing him to play with others. Both your dogs may be happy doing so, but eventually it will come down to that one moment where it all changes. Of all the people ive seen and heard of taking this breed and others with genetic DA risks to dog parks, i have never once been proven wrong with my beliefs and views on the subject. Eventually, no matter how much trust, training etc you put in the dog you can't control whats a given when you set your dog up for failure.

Continue to do so if you wish, eventually as i have said before you will learn the hard way.

Aside from all this information, Parvovirus, Giardia, Distemper, Leptospirosis and Kennel Cough all are very common diseases in the dog park.. Even caught up on shots i wouldn't want to risk it. Even if you had all your shots, would you walk into a room with 5 highly contagious diseases infecting people? I doubt it, so why do it to your dog?
Yeah Maggie is a mix, she is half pit half bulldog. Isis is all pit based off her records. She was labeled as a "sharpei pit mix" But when I got her they gave me her vaccination documents. Listed her as a American Pit Bull Terrier "fawn" whatever that means.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I totally hear you on the potential health risk of dumb dog owners. But you go mid-day midweek only like 5-10 dogs there, nopt too much to worry about. Which is where I go. Sometimes my dogs need to run around. There is nowhere near me to let me off leash them legally. And as a RESPONSIBLE pit owner, no way in hell am I letting them just off leash in a park illegally. And of course her shots are all caught up with. And like I said before my dogs have been bit on different occasions (damn non fixed male german sheppards, i tell you they have it for female pit dogs) never once did they bite back. Also as a responsible dog park patron I'm never more than 25 feet away from my dog. So if something happens im there to break it up asap. And im sure it doesnt matter, but out of all the fights Ive seen, never once was the dog to blame. Only the owners, for the irresponsibility to know if there dogs are socially ok to deal with a dog park.
Im a frequent member of a few other forums. I posted this thread in a thread on those sites. With the title "Am I a bad dog owner?" Explained the so-called debate here and posted a link. Yeah they all said Im not doing anything wrong, but do point out the health risks of dogparks like you mention. And the pit owners... there telling me to stop coming to this forum and go to pitbull-chat.com. I guess Im not the only one to feel bombarded on this forum....


So anyways Im done debating this crate issue, dog park issue etc. Thanks for the help about my dogs leg. Thank god it wasnt some acl tear or something of that sort which was my number one worry. She got quite a bruised left toe. She isnt limping nearly as bad today either. When I took her on her pee/poo walk after her first 5-10 steps she wasnt limping. Compared to yesterday where she was hobbling all the way out to the grass. Now if I can only get her to eat her turkey necks on her blanket and not on the couch cushion itself.. That would be a miracle.
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I must say Pacifico has stayed very pleaseant and respectful throughout this thread as they were getting flamed for the dog park issue. I don't agree with dogs parks as they are a horrible place to take any dog let alone bully breeds. I also think your dog should be crated to rest her foot/toe because jumping on and off the couch is definitely no good for her and she can further damage her toe. And you are right.....we can all agree to disagree Hope you stick around though.
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Old 05-13-2011, 04:57 AM   #43 (permalink)
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You can't ask uneducated people on this breed and dog parks thinking you'll receive an educated answer. If you think pitbull-chat will accept dog parks go on, no one is forcing you to stay.

Im done with this thread, its obviously a loss cause and you don't want to listen to truth. You'll find out eventually, which is unfortunate.
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Have you even read this thread? There was no ACL injury. It was a front left toe fracture.... I thought at first it could of been something like that. And their is no surgery needed. If my doc said I needed to crate, I wouldve. She just out of commission 1-2 months
oops sorry I got this thread mixed up with the other thread where the dog tore his ACL. Too many to keep track of, crate rest would still be the way to go for the reasons I stated. I am happy it is not an ACL that would really sucks.
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You can't ask uneducated people on this breed and dog parks thinking you'll receive an educated answer. If you think pitbull-chat will accept dog parks go on, no one is forcing you to stay.

Im done with this thread, its obviously a loss cause and you don't want to listen to truth. You'll find out eventually, which is unfortunate.
I was gonna say the same thing.Of course people not educated with the breed are going to tell you it's ok.But whatever.It's been said over and over so I'll quit saying it now.Bye!
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