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Old 05-19-2011, 03:47 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I love raw in theory however until i start seeing people do 100% raw living healthy long lives, i have opinion on it. As i said in my OP, i've never met a person feed 100% raw throughout a dogs life without adding something in the mix.

Sorry if i seemed like i was attacking the article or people feeding raw, im not. However in my opinion there are not enough long term results to truly say raw is the best thing for a dog.

Yes i did read it, i was more or less talking about than many myths and fact of high protein as a separation from the article.
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I have to say.... I have had many dogs over my life since childhood. They all ate regular kibble, whether it be Ol Roy or Purina dog chow. And besides one who died of unrelated health problems at age 6... almost all of them lived to be well over 12 years old. I think my last two oldest dogs lived to be 14 or 15. They were mutt's, and they lived off Purina dog chow.

But of course... knowing what I know now... Helena doesn't eat that stuff... But I also take this study with a grain of salt.

Maybe all the scraps she gets keeps her hydrated.
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I love raw in theory however until i start seeing people do 100% raw living healthy long lives, i have opinion on it. As i said in my OP, i've never met a person feed 100% raw throughout a dogs life without adding something in the mix.

Sorry if i seemed like i was attacking the article or people feeding raw, im not. However in my opinion there are not enough long term results to truly say raw is the best thing for a dog.

Yes i did read it, i was more or less talking about than many myths and fact of high protein as a separation from the article.
It's all good KM I love the whole RAW theory thing to but I agree with you when you say that most people I have met don't feed all raw without supplementing at some point. Personally, I don't like the idea of throwing my dog a chicken leg amongst other things. I know it's not as simple as that. I also don't have time to make my dinner half the time so for me to prepare a raw meal twice a day just can't happen. However, I do give a variety of foods to my dogs incuding fresh raw fruit and veggies. She loves carrots, spinach, zuchinni, apples, bananas etc. I like her to have a variety of things in her diet. Not just a bowl of dry boring kibble with water in it
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Old 05-19-2011, 11:33 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I have to say.... I have had many dogs over my life since childhood. They all ate regular kibble, whether it be Ol Roy or Purina dog chow. And besides one who died of unrelated health problems at age 6... almost all of them lived to be well over 12 years old. I think my last two oldest dogs lived to be 14 or 15. They were mutt's, and they lived off Purina dog chow.

But of course... knowing what I know now... Helena doesn't eat that stuff... But I also take this study with a grain of salt.

Maybe all the scraps she gets keeps her hydrated.
SGH, I hear what your saying.....I grew up with GSD K9 dogs all my life with my grandfather being a police officer there was always a big male dog around. Most of our dogs back then 35 years ago ate Purina dog chow and also lived to be 12 to 14 years old, hardly went to the vet, and were never fixed. Now a days there is the Cancer epidemic that is now higher than ever amongst our beloved animals. Studies that I have read indicate that over vaccinating as well as pesticide and chemicals used on our dog for fleas and ticks have alot to do with animals dying young these days. I have never bought into the whole flea and tick preventitive craze. I know some people have no choice to use it but I would rather go to a natural alternative than ever put that stuff on my dog. I can honestly say my animals have never had a flea....but they also aren't yard or kennel dogs. All the dogs I have owned were all house dogs. I live in the city and stay out of the woods so I don't worry about the little buggers Oh, and table scraps are great in your dogs dish. Back then that was a big favor we did for our animals was give'em some cooked meat and veggies I take things with a grain of salt to a point to when I read studies, but the majority makes sense to me in some studies if you think of it.
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Old 05-19-2011, 01:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
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It's all good KM I love the whole RAW theory thing to but I agree with you when you say that most people I have met don't feed all raw without supplementing at some point. Personally, I don't like the idea of throwing my dog a chicken leg amongst other things. I know it's not as simple as that. I also don't have time to make my dinner half the time so for me to prepare a raw meal twice a day just can't happen. However, I do give a variety of foods to my dogs incuding fresh raw fruit and veggies. She loves carrots, spinach, zuchinni, apples, bananas etc. I like her to have a variety of things in her diet. Not just a bowl of dry boring kibble with water in it
Unless you are pureeing the fruits and veggies then they aren't doing her any good. She can't access the nutrients unless they are pureed.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What about chopping up raw chicken & combining with the dry? do you guys think that'd be enough moisture or should I throw some canned in as well?
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Unless you are pureeing the fruits and veggies then they aren't doing her any good. She can't access the nutrients unless they are pureed.
Yup! They are pureed I've been doing my homework
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What about chopping up raw chicken & combining with the dry? do you guys think that'd be enough moisture or should I throw some canned in as well?
Some people don't advocate feeding both raw and kibble together because they digest differently. I do know some people that feed that way and there dogs do fine. I've actually done it before with an ACD I had. I feed BB in the morning with canned mixed in along with her flax oil and supplements.
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Some people don't advocate feeding both raw and kibble together because they digest differently. I do know some people that feed that way and there dogs do fine. I've actually done it before with an ACD I had. I feed BB in the morning with canned mixed in along with her flax oil and supplements.
So far I've just been feeding dry... I just wonder the difference between mixing canned w/dry & mixing raw w/dry?

I've read a little about it but never really looked into it because i didn't realize there are health risks with only feeding dry until now.
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So far I've just been feeding dry... I just wonder the difference between mixing canned w/dry & mixing raw w/dry?

I've read a little about it but never really looked into it because i didn't realize there are health risks with only feeding dry until now.
Well, raw is raw and canned is processed but still holds 70-80% moisture. There is a part in the video where she says if you don't feed raw only than you are actually better off feeding a good quality canned food because that would be more biologically appropriate than dry kibble.
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What about chopping up raw chicken & combining with the dry? do you guys think that'd be enough moisture or should I throw some canned in as well?
Ah, I say choose one or the other. I'm not a fan of mixing kibble and RAW but if you are going to do it then do
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Ah, I say choose one or the other. I'm not a fan of mixing kibble and RAW but if you are going to do it then do
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Lauren, do you find that people who feed raw and kibble together have no issues? I always hear and have read on food bags that grain free diets can supplement a raw fed diet. They do digest differently though and I assume that could cause issues?
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