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Old 08-01-2011, 02:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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hey i had onyx on eukanuba and it gave him diarhea non stop. so i decided to switch to orijen. i know you are suppose to mix both foods gradually,but i was wondering since eukanuba gave him diarhea anyways cant i just switch completely to orijen without mixing?
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I would still switch gradually. Orijen is a LOT more rich than Eukanuba. You're basically going from fast food (Eukanuba) to 5 star restaurant-type food (Orijen).
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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  • Start out 1/2 old kibble and 1/2 new kibble for 3-5 days.

  • Get yourself some Pumpkin pie filler and add a tablespoon to each feeding as it will help keep the stool firm and your puppy should adjust easily to the new kibble.
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Old 08-01-2011, 06:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Switching is ideal but not always needed however it will all depend on the dog. When your going from a poor quality to high quality it can (not always) be easier on the dog with transitioning. The biggest question will be how your pup does on the protein difference.

Unless your planning on working your pup hard a high protein diet wont be beneficial. WHile Orijen is a great kibble and high quality if your dog wont be worked it can put un-needed stress on your dogs organs with processing.

Generally i wouldn't recommend anything over 34% unless your honestly working your dog.
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Old 08-01-2011, 04:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
 

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thanks for the help guys....what counts as "working your dog" ? Walking 30 min, running, playing with other dogs?
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Knowing KM, lol, he means you're doing schutzhund, herding, PP ... you're making your dog do a job.

What you listed is not working a dog. That's just fulfilling your dog's exercise needs and letting them be a typical family dog.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'd say if you are exercising your dog daily for an hour or more then orijen which is like 40% is okay. Now I workout my girl with long walks and jogging, fetch, and flirt pole and I feed acana which is 32% protein and I exercise her five or more times a week. I personally wouldn't go any higher than 36%. Some people have different opinions on "work". PP, hog hunting, schutzhund are a few examples of actual work.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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Ok im in Ny so i doubt he'll be herding lol but i guess i can do some other stuff to work him. thanks Alot...Bellas gorgeous btw.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Ok im in Ny so i doubt he'll be herding lol but i guess i can do some other stuff to work him. thanks Alot...Bellas gorgeous btw.
I hear ya man, I'm in Boston, Ma. So the only thing Bella could hunt around the city is squirrels lol! My girl gets plenty of mental and physical stimulation which is more than I can say for most house pets. Most people in my neighborhood should own a gargoyle statue or a cat. There poor dogs just sit in a yard or on a couch. Oh, and thanks for the compliment
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Old 08-01-2011, 06:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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We didnt do working like mentioned above and my dogs did very well on the orijen although i found the red meat variety we had to switch to the 6fish during winter months here or they put on too much weight { wintert they dont get worked as much } but all we do for work is spring pole, running, walks like 2-3 45min-hour walks a day, swimming in the lake during summer months. We switched to another brand recently due to cost with this many dogs and I dont like the results we saw from switching off orijen we may switch all our dogs over to raw or some back to orijen . Best food IMO .
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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High protein diets should be kept to those with extremely active dogs as these type of dogs are the only ones that really require it. If you have just a pet or a couch potato theres really no need for such a diet and it can have ample effects later on in life because of it. No offense intended to anyone here, Orijen is an excellent quality food but in all honesty theres no real reason to feed your dog above 34% unless you are working your dog or have a hyper active breed that requires a good bit of exercise every day.

Working your dog is different than having a heavy work load in terms of exercise, which both can benefit from a high protein diet. It can be a similar concept of high protein diets to humans if that makes it more relatable.

Also if you are feeding high protein, obviously as a pup you wouldn't be introducing long or "hard" exercising work loads but in general, as your dog matures and can take more on ideally youd want 2 - 3 + hours every day with various exercising, training, etc IMO if your feeding such a diet.

For instance, with mine 3 hours a day (with the weather being as hot as it is lately) on scheduled times throughout the day and even into the night with the last remaining after the sun sets and it cools off is for various exercises, training and "hard" work outs. Which later this month we are testing for PP and in September start hunting season.. Just to give you an idea as to what i mean by everything, oh and im feeding a 42% protein kibble.

All in all if you can devote at least 2 hours a day, youd probably be alright feeding a high protein diet the biggest thing to keep in mind is to remain active, don't push your dog beyond the limits of course.

Also i would highly recommend you limit the interaction with other dogs, these dogs are not a "dog friendly" breed.. Even if we are talking about a pet bull or American Bully which are "tamer" breeds than the APBT DA (dog aggression) is still a very real possibility. Anything can be a trigger at any time, 2 months to 10 years old theres no "set in stone" method of testing to see if your dog will or wont be DA in the future. If your aiming for socializing i can post the thread i started a while back on the topic which may be useful to you, if your aiming to meet your dogs needs again, these dogs are for you not for everyone else.

Oh btw, heres the socializing link just incase you wanted to read it https://www.gopitbull.com/general-dis...cializing.html
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High protein diets should be kept to those with extremely active dogs as these type of dogs are the only ones that really require it. If you have just a pet or a couch potato theres really no need for such a diet and it can have ample effects later on in life because of it. No offense intended to anyone here, Orijen is an excellent quality food but in all honesty theres no real reason to feed your dog above 34% unless you are working your dog or have a hyper active breed that requires a good bit of exercise every day.

Working your dog is different than having a heavy work load in terms of exercise, which both can benefit from a high protein diet. It can be a similar concept of high protein diets to humans if that makes it more relatable.

Also if you are feeding high protein, obviously as a pup you wouldn't be introducing long or "hard" exercising work loads but in general, as your dog matures and can take more on ideally youd want 2 - 3 + hours every day with various exercising, training, etc IMO if your feeding such a diet.

For instance, with mine 3 hours a day (with the weather being as hot as it is lately) on scheduled times throughout the day and even into the night with the last remaining after the sun sets and it cools off is for various exercises, training and "hard" work outs. Which later this month we are testing for PP and in September start hunting season.. Just to give you an idea as to what i mean by everything, oh and im feeding a 42% protein kibble.
KM, do you have any proof or actual facts that high protein can cause health problems down the road if it is fed to a non performance dog? I know alot of people who feed such diets and there dogs are inactive with little exercise or walks. I have researched facts online but it is conflicting. Some feel it is best while others feel like you and myself. I don't think high protein is best for every dog and I definitely don't think a house pet needs it. JMO but I figured I'd pick your brain
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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KM, do you have any proof or actual facts that high protein can cause health problems down the road if it is fed to a non performance dog? I know alot of people who feed such diets and there dogs are inactive with little exercise or walks. I have researched facts online but it is conflicting. Some feel it is best while others feel like you and myself. I don't think high protein is best for every dog and I definitely don't think a house pet needs it. JMO but I figured I'd pick your brain
I'll have to get back to you on this as i was actually about to get off, i'll have to dig around the computer or some books i have to see if i still have anything on the topic. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything via web because as you say, its conflicting.

Ill see what i can dig up and come back to this one later, in the end i think when it comes to this subject most of it will be conflicting with other research in some form or another as there is a lot of extremes in research with protein and dogs. Some say under 30, some say higher is better, lower is better, makes no difference, so on so on. lol

Good question though! I'll see what i can do.
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
 

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Dammit now I'm confused lol I just want the best for my puppies appearance health etc. I guess I'll switch him to a lower protein kibble in a couple weeks. anysuggestions?
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