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Old 11-30-2011, 06:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
 

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Sorry if I repeating something that has already been said, as I only skimmed the thread.

Firstly Nate you said "Dogs can't process grains and many have allergies to them. Also Chicken Meal, Lamb Meal etc is not as good as whole Chicken or Lamb. You ideally would like the first ingredient to be from a whole source. "

Neither Taste of The Wild, nor Orijen use the whole animals they used the cleaned meat that is 'fit' for human consumption. (No exact terms). meal vs meat. Meal is a dehydrated form of meat, meaning all of it's moisture has been removed, and it contains roughly 300% more protein than a wet weight (meat) in a dry kibble. So chicken vs chicken meal, as long as the source of the meal came from quality meat in a dry kibble it's better to have meal vs a wet weight.

I do however agree that grains simply should not be in dog food period.

I don't feed kibble anymore but when I did I fed Orijen and Evo, mostly Orijen for many reasons. I still highly recommend it and sell it at work.

As for supplements I used to use many different ones off and on. Save your money and buy a quality kibble or food source. Feed a well balanced diet, and there will be NO need for any supplements besides maybe a fish oil supplement which is the only supplement that I use as a Prey model raw feeder.



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Queen said "just put your pooch on a raw diet. thats what i did. just be very very carefull on what you feed it. i use meaty bones, raw eggs, game chickens, and some high grade kibble just in a bowl for whenever he wants a snack."

That's a huge no no to any raw feeder let alone a prey model raw feeder like myself. Raw is digested at a much faster rate than even the highest end kibble. Raw will stay in the stomach for 2-3 hours where kibble will be in the stomach for 8-12+ hours. What can happen is if the raw food has E. coli normally it would be no problem for a dog, though if it is stuck in the stomach to long you can have problems. IE: feedimg raw with kibble can and does cause problems. You can get away with it for years, it only takes once!


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Queen said "just put your pooch on a raw diet. thats what i did. just be very very carefull on what you feed it. i use meaty bones, raw eggs, game chickens, and some high grade kibble just in a bowl for whenever he wants a snack."

That's a huge no no to any raw feeder let alone a prey model raw feeder like myself. Raw is digested at a much faster rate than even the highest end kibble. Raw will stay in the stomach for 2-3 hours where kibble will be in the stomach for 8-12+ hours. What can happen is if the raw food has E. coli normally it would be no problem for a dog, though if it is stuck in the stomach to long you can have problems. IE: feedimg raw with kibble can and does cause problems. You can get away with it for years, it only takes once!


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Glad you agree!

Though I have to disagree with you on one thing.

"RAW EGGS contain an enzyme called avidin, which decreases the absorption of biotin (a B vitamin)."
You will only have problems with dry skin and biotin deficiency's if you don't feed the WHOLE egg. If you feed only whites is where you can have the problem. Also if you back up the rest of the diet with enough organs, meats, and editable bones you are at no risk feeding eggs. I offer 1-2 eggs on non liver, kidney, or pancreas days. So for the most part my dogs get eggs 3-4 days a week. I also tend to eat a lot of eggs, but I don't eat all the yolks so the dogs get them when I eat a lot of eggs. Both of my dogs love eggs, but only one eats the shell, the other will eat the shell when I crush it up, and put salmon oil on it! That being said only time I have coat problems is when they go without a bath for quite sometime, or got dirty. I also tend to add eggs to meals with bone as well.

Lung, Heart are organs but in the diet of a dog they are not considered 'organs' they are just another meat source. Though you must feed enough heart to give your dogs enough Taurine for heart health among other benefits at the same time you don't want to feed to much as hearts are high in Vitamin D I feed hearts in random amounts 2-3 times weekly along side a fattier meal.


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