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Old 07-06-2012, 11:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Puppy Food/Not Eating

Hey Guys. Orca-man here again!

I have some questions regarding Dog Food.
So, I'm doing the best I can at being a dog owner, But in today's economy, its hard being able to afford everything we need in life.
That being said. I buy Purina Brand Puppy Chow as Charlie's food.
I've heard all over that its not the best of foods, and doesnt have all the stuff an APBT needs. but its not the worst brand out there. and for an 18lb bag that last a whole month for just $16. its not bad for me so far. (though, if someone knows of a better brand of dog food for about the same price. pleeeease lemme know)

Another small dilema I have a question about.
Lately Charlie doesnt seem to eat much. I usually try to get her to eat like 3-5 cups of puppy chow a day. and i've noticed she just isnt eating much. maybe 2 cups total. so I've been splashing her food with a bit of beef broth, maybe a couple of tablespoons worth onto her food to entice eat. is that safe/healthy for her?
and how much food should she be eating total in a day?
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Funny that you know it is crap food but yet you continue to feed it......I understand times are tough but I wouldn't let my dogs health suffer from eating food that is made with chemicals, corn, and everything unnatural. Have you thought to feed raw? How about feeding something grain free like taste of the wild which is affordable to A LOT of struggling dog owners on here. Look at it this way...you only have one dog and yes, you can feed her the cheap stuff but down the road she may suffer some health issues that is going to cost $$$$ to repair and a better quality food/diet can at least prevent that As far as how much to feed....just look on the back of the bag and feed according to her weight and age. And as long as the beef broth is low sodium then it is fine to add it to her food. It will keep her nice and hydrated and also add moisture to her food. Best of luck with her and I hope you can find something a little better to feed her soon.
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if the puppy isn't eating it pick it up. Wait until evening feeding. If they still refuse pick it up and give it to them in the morning. When he get hungry enough he'll eat it. don't cater to him. Show you are in control of the food and he will eat what you provide. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THE FOOD. You are showing the dog that you are not going to cater to them. You are training your dog, not the dog training you.

ETA: Also try only feeding a cup on the morning and a cup at night. With the above steps.

Don't let posters discourage you. I have fed Purina for years and years and years with my dogs and have had no problems. If its what you can afford then use it. At least you are feeding your dog.
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My pup is fed a mixture of Balance One Puppy food and homemade rice, pea's, chicken, and sweet potato. He gets 1 cup of puppy food mixed with 1 cup of the homemade rice, and he is fed 3 times a day. This is actually not a bad combo, and the homemade rice mix can also be cheaper then buying lots of dog food, And it is also healthy for them. I want to try to get him switched onto a mix of raw and dog food later on. But that's for later.

You say your puppy isn't eating? How old is your puppy? Some pups just wont have a big appetite until they are 2months, then again some aren't big eaters. It all depends on your puppy. You can always have your pup vet checked, when was she last wormed? Does she seem off in any way? It could be health issues or even just protesting. Also depending on her age you could be feeding her more then she can eat.
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Canidae, Taste of The Wild, or Blue Buffalo all around the same price and are affordable grain free foods. I personally feed TOTW.
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TOTW can be purchased online for 46 bucks per 28 lb bag. Yes they had recalls, but even recalled it's still better then puppy chow. JS
I also feed raw. Averages around, but usually less then $50.00 per month.
Higher grade kibble means you need to feed less, which in turn makes it come out to roughly what you pay for the cheap stuff. A 28 lb bag of TOTW used to feed my 48 lb Bulldog and my 6 lb Chihuahua for close to two months.
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if the puppy isn't eating it pick it up. Wait until evening feeding. If they still refuse pick it up and give it to them in the morning. When he get hungry enough he'll eat it. don't cater to him. Show you are in control of the food and he will eat what you provide. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THE FOOD. You are showing the dog that you are not going to cater to them. You are training your dog, not the dog training you.

ETA: Also try only feeding a cup on the morning and a cup at night. With the above steps.

Don't let posters discourage you. I have fed Purina for years and years and years with my dogs and have had no problems. If its what you can afford then use it. At least you are feeding your dog.
There is a difference between discouraging and EDUCATING an owner who feeds anything purina that is most likely made with 4D meats and rancid leftovers. Feeding purina to a dog is like a human eating McDonalds everyday. It's just not good for you. But your right......at least he is feeding his dog. As far as him adding to the food.....a dog will only benefit from cooked meats, canned food and broth. There is nothing wrong with it. And as far as some of us posters go like myself who is dog nutrition educated and has done much research on a PROPER diet due to owning a dog with allergies I can say that I know what I'm talking about A biologically appropriate diet consists of feeding moisture filled meat and bones not processed DRY pellets. I'm not knocking kibble fed dogs by no means but at least feed a premium grain free dog food to avoid any allergies down the road. Half the time people come on here looking for help because there dog is suffering from allergies. One of the first questions is always "what are you feeding?" and the response is usually beneful or purina dog chow......Once the dogs get off the low grade foods and are fed a higher quality the problem usually gets better.
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well where you say it sounds like a nutrition issue with the dog, I honestly believe its probably because they leave the bowl down so the pup comes and goes when it wants. Also 3-4 cups a day... IS WAY too much food.

Some people just cannot afford the prices of the grain free foods. Yes I am one of them. No I do not feed purina anymore, but I am not completely grain free either. At least the food I feed now, the first two ingredients are meat... then it goes to corn meal. For someone who isn't trying to knock someone for feeding a lesser food, you sure are doing a good job of it.



The above picture is one of my Bitches that was fed Purina EVERY DAY. So where you believe it is like feeding McDonalds everyday ... Um Then why isn't my dog fat and malnutritioned? And yes, that pic is from back when I fed Purina and not after I changed foods.

Another thing, last statement. Some people cannot afford $40 for a 28LBS bag of dog food. Its better then Ol'Roy and Pedigree. Not by much, but at least its better.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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@Lovingpit....I'm educating not knocking so get it right And I have fed kibble for many years before I ever fed raw and a lot of my good friends on here feed kibble so I'm not knocking anyone. Over the years I've become educated on nutrition and have opened my mind to other ways of feeding and a more natural (raw) way of doing so. I would just rather see people feeding the better quality foods than the junk off of grocery store shelves. Dogs are carnivores...there bodies aren't meant to process by-products, corn, soy, or wheat as well as many other junk fillers in low quality foods which is why a lot of dogs suffer allergies and health problems. I understand not everyone can afford a $40 pound bag of food but down the road maybe they can and then they will also have the education behind them as well. In the end it's whatever works for you and your dog. And for the record....a lot of the regulars on here feel the same way about the low end foods....McDonalds for dogs.
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Every dog is an individual. Not every food effects dogs the same. And what do you do if your dog actually has an allergy to meat? Cull it?

I have had issues with higher quality foods and my dogs tummies. I had them on BB for a couple months and my dogs didn't handle it well so I actually put them back on Purina because I knew it worked and cost less. I would love to feed raw. Plan on raising my own stock soonish (rabbit, Chicken) Would be nice to get away from kibble all together but again I haven't done this yet due to having to find places to place the stock.
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In the long run, you would actually save money switching to a more expensive, higher quality kibble for the following reasons: with less filler and more quality ingredients you don't have to feed as much to your dog in order for them to get the same amount of nutrition which means a comparable sized bag of dog food lasts longer. Additionally, as BBB already mentioned, you save a fortune in vet bills throughout your dog's life (though that benefit will be reaped much later and is offset by the prolonged lifespan of your dog and so ultimately, you are trading the cost of your dog's added longevity for the pleasure of their company for x number of years more).

I actually went ahead and did the math too (because I am a nerd and have time to kill before I start my Friday night):

You say your 18lb bag lasts you approximately a month and that you feed 3-5 cups per day. We will make the assumption that the average number of cups is 4 and that at 4 cups per day that bag lasts 30 days. That means that your average cost to feed Purina dog food is $.53/day ($16.00 / 30 days = $.53 per day).

If you were to switch to say, TOTW, which I got a rough price estimate off of a website of $25.49 for a 15lb bag you would need to feed approximately half as much due to the lack of filler and additional nutrients. If an 18lb bag yields 4 cups per day for 30 days that is approximately 120 cups in 18 lbs. Divide that (120 / 18) and you can get about 6.67 cups per pound of kibble. Multiply that by the size of the TOTW bag (15lbs x 6.67 = 100.05 cups per bag). Only feeding 2 cups per day, that bag of TOTW will last you about 50 days. A full twenty days longer than the Purina. Divide the cost of the bag, $25.49 by the number of days it will last, 50, and you come to the daily cost of about $.51/day.

Ultimately, you will save $.02/day if you switch and your dog will likely want to eat its food and you will be able to enjoy your dog for a good number of years more because you didn't go for the crap food.

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Carriana and Bella are right on, it will be cheaper or the same cost in the long run. Your dog might not be getting the nutrition it needs which is why its being picky as well. I agree, adding stuff and free feeding could make a picky dog, but I add pumpkin and fish oil every day to help keep Mel's belly regular and keep his coat healthy. Purina is crap, it is like McDonald's, and just because SOME people can eat McDonald's every day without a problem doesn't mean they are healthy on the inside or its good for them. I understand its better to actually feed a dog than NOT feed a dog (DER lol) but I like to care about my dogs health and sorry but IMO if you feed that crap you are not concerned for his overall heath you are concerned about your money, not the dog.
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Now that is BS. I hardly believe that every person who feeds said 'crap food' doesn't care about their dogs overall health. I currently happen to know a dog who is 17 years old and all he has eaten is Pedigree soft food (Crappier food then Purina) and the dogs family cares very much for the dogs overall health.. Its not my dog so I'm not about to tell them what to feed their dog.

Again I don't think the problem is in the type of food they feed but the overall way they are feeding the dog. The amount is way too much and if they are leaving the bowl down they need to start picking it up. A dog isn't going to eat if it isn't hungry, some naturally fast themselves if they are being fed enough or too much food.

Figuring out what works for your dog is the key here. For now I would just cut back the food. You might notice your bag lasting longer too. Feed only 2 cups a day. 1 during the morning and 1 at night. Pick up the bowl if the pup doesn't eat their food or only eats part of their food. (If they did not finish their food, wait about an hour and place it back down for 15 minutes. If they don't touch it keep it up until next feeding).

In addition you can also use some food as treats while training your dog to make eating the food fun. So say you feed 2 cups a day and then 1/2 for training and tricks.
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Now that is BS. I hardly believe that every person who feeds said 'crap food' doesn't care about their dogs overall health. I currently happen to know a dog who is 17 years old and all he has eaten is Pedigree soft food (Crappier food then Purina) and the dogs family cares very much for the dogs overall health.. Its not my dog so I'm not about to tell them what to feed their dog.
That's just called lucky. I know someone who fed there pit bull gravy train from BJ's for 16 years but he still had health issues throughout his life and not once was the food switched or was anything said to her about better quality foods from her vet.....not that vets know anything about nutrition anyways. Alls they recommend is science diet because they make a profit off of it. I have family members who LOVE there dogs and feed beneful and this is after I've tried educating them. Some people's hearts are in the right place but there heads are somewhere else and the brain don't think right I call them your "average pet owners" meaning that they love there pets but don't take there health and longevity seriously because they are programmed to think that processed crap kibble is all they need and the commercials and advertisements make it look good so people think they are feeding there dogs good.
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Just like some mothers thinks its okay to feed their kids Fast Food every meal of the day. Guess those mothers don't care about the health and longevity of their children either.
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