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Mikki 09-05-2012 08:27 PM

Am I feeding Lexy enough?
 
Helloo. I got Lexy exactly 2 weeks ago and I'm very new to the breed. I started feeding her 3 times a day, about 1/3 cup each meal. The last 4-5 days I changed to feeding her 2/3 cups 2 times a day, as recommended by a friend who is a vet tech. She is about 11 weeks old now. I weighed her yesterday and she is about 12.8 pounds. I have been feeding her totw pacific stream puppy formula. I've been doing a lot of research but it's still hard for me to decide if I am feeding her the right food and amount. Should I up the food? Or change the food to anything better for her? Like I said I am very new and tried to do all the research I can before posting this. Here are some pics of her I took yesterday!
http://i48.tinypic.com/33vgkz9.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/nfpbgo.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/122lu2b.jpg

EckoMac 09-05-2012 09:25 PM

I read the title to fast and I thought it said am I FEELING Lexy enough. LOL!

TOTW doesn't suck, but you could look at Orijen or Acana also. They are great foods too. If she looks skinny, up her feed, if she looks fat lower it. Each dog is different, so you have to kinda eye ball it.

Your pup is wicked cute. BTW

JoKealoha 09-05-2012 10:05 PM

holy crap that pup is cute.
to me, she looks like a healthy weight.

Mikki 09-05-2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EckoMac (Post 537509)
I read the title to fast and I thought it said am I FEELING Lexy enough. LOL!

TOTW doesn't suck, but you could look at Orijen or Acana also. They are great foods too. If she looks skinny, up her feed, if she looks fat lower it. Each dog is different, so you have to kinda eye ball it.

Your pup is wicked cute. BTW

LOL that made me lol literally. I'll probably look into Acana after I finish this 15 lb bag of totw my mom got for me haha well got for me for Lexy -.- Thank you! Fell in love with her as soon as I saw her :love:

Mikki 09-05-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JoKealoha (Post 537513)
holy crap that pup is cute.
to me, she looks like a healthy weight.

Thank you! ^_^ Kinda worried me because you can see her bones on her ribs? when she stands or stretches but not when shes laying down or sitting lol is that normal?

Bear813 09-05-2012 10:51 PM

Yea my pup is the same age an weight and he's gtg! Just checked with the vet today. After picking him up from his ear cropping. Your puppy is gorgeous! :)


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Mikki 09-05-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear813 (Post 537524)
Yea my pup is the same age an weight and he's gtg! Just checked with the vet today. After picking him up from his ear cropping. Your puppy is gorgeous! :)


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Yayyyy great to know :) Thanks!!

KMdogs 09-05-2012 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikki (Post 537515)
Thank you! ^_^ Kinda worried me because you can see her bones on her ribs? when she stands or stretches but not when shes laying down or sitting lol is that normal?

For a young pup it can go either way, if you feel like you should feed her more do it. 2/3rds of a cup twice a day isn't really that much food for a growing dog, as the more they grow the more you'll need to feed to maintain the weight, let alone the growing weight.

Typically its okay to "over" feed a pup within reason, if your only dog i would even say its okay to free feed so long as shes not a dog to eat whatever is in front of her however if you did this i would recommend breaking that habit as she matures and work for her food.

Each dog grows differently, i can say at 11 weeks, 2/3rd twice a day is quite a small amount. If it were me, i'd up the feed but how much depends on the growth and overall health.

Full grown, as a "typical" rule you want to see the last two ribs of the rib cage but the other ribs you want "covered" by muscle or a very thin layer of what you could call "fat". Most people over feed their animals and what you see widely accepted is obesity.

Also, your vet tech friend may be fairly knowledgeable in certain areas but rarely (and i do mean rarely) do you find a vet that is also equally knowledgeable in nutrition. This is something very rarely discussed in vet school and the little that is discussed is often paid for information and wrong.

I've only personally known of one vet that took the time to truly educate themselves in the nutritional values of not only kibble, but proper diet and the connections between genetics and diet, diet and health problems often associated and dismissed for other factors of which are irrelevant.

As to Taste Of The Wild, it isn't the worst out there but is one of the poorest of quality and over priced for what you are getting. Part of their pricing has to do with face value ingredients, it looks great by comparison for the money to other feeds out there with higher quality listed ingredients however TOTW is owned by Diamond which makes a wide range of cost feeds and all use the same quality feeds. Most made in the same factories as Diamond and the few that are not, is mostly to "kill concern" but the same ingredients used in their cheap feeds are still used in TOTW regardless of where it was processed and packaged.

Champion pet foods which produce Acana, Acana Regionals and Orijen lines is exceptional in both quality and consistency.. Particularly in dry feed industry as they do not take part in any of the known loop holes that are allowed through AAFCO and other organizations regulating the production of kibble. Also where they get their ingredients, not being out sourced and over all human grade quality is also something of exceptional..

Mikki 09-05-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KMdogs (Post 537528)
For a young pup it can go either way, if you feel like you should feed her more do it. 2/3rds of a cup twice a day isn't really that much food for a growing dog, as the more they grow the more you'll need to feed to maintain the weight, let alone the growing weight.

Typically its okay to "over" feed a pup within reason, if your only dog i would even say its okay to free feed so long as shes not a dog to eat whatever is in front of her however if you did this i would recommend breaking that habit as she matures and work for her food.

Each dog grows differently, i can say at 11 weeks, 2/3rd twice a day is quite a small amount. If it were me, i'd up the feed but how much depends on the growth and overall health.

Full grown, as a "typical" rule you want to see the last two ribs of the rib cage but the other ribs you want "covered" by muscle or a very thin layer of what you could call "fat". Most people over feed their animals and what you see widely accepted is obesity.

Also, your vet tech friend may be fairly knowledgeable in certain areas but rarely (and i do mean rarely) do you find a vet that is also equally knowledgeable in nutrition. This is something very rarely discussed in vet school and the little that is discussed is often paid for information and wrong.

I've only personally known of one vet that took the time to truly educate themselves in the nutritional values of not only kibble, but proper diet and the connections between genetics and diet, diet and health problems often associated and dismissed for other factors of which are irrelevant.

As to Taste Of The Wild, it isn't the worst out there but is one of the poorest of quality and over priced for what you are getting. Part of their pricing has to do with face value ingredients, it looks great by comparison for the money to other feeds out there with higher quality listed ingredients however TOTW is owned by Diamond which makes a wide range of cost feeds and all use the same quality feeds. Most made in the same factories as Diamond and the few that are not, is mostly to "kill concern" but the same ingredients used in their cheap feeds are still used in TOTW regardless of where it was processed and packaged.

Champion pet foods which produce Acana, Acana Regionals and Orijen lines is exceptional in both quality and consistency.. Particularly in dry feed industry as they do not take part in any of the known loop holes that are allowed through AAFCO and other organizations regulating the production of kibble. Also where they get their ingredients, not being out sourced and over all human grade quality is also something of exceptional..

wow tysm for the great info! Making me want to return the totw since I haven't opened the 15 lb bag and am still on the small bag. which acana would you recommend for my pup? and suggestions on how much to up her food based on the photo of her? and I'm guessing she does eat anything in front of her. the first night I got her it was late so I only had Target food choices and ended up giving her Iams for one night and she gobbled it up next day got her totw and she gobbled that up! if I switch foods should I start with part of the old and new food in a meal?

=CC= 09-06-2012 12:08 AM

Make sure that when you change her diet, you do it gradually over a 2 weeks period (or so). Otherwise, she may get diarrhea.

You might also want to get her stool checked (if you haven't already), since intestinal parasites can hinder growth and weight gain.

She is stinkin' cute, by the way!

Mikki 09-06-2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by =CC= (Post 537534)
Make sure that when you change her diet, you do it gradually over a 2 weeks period (or so). Otherwise, she may get diarrhea.

You might also want to get her stool checked (if you haven't already), since intestinal parasites can hinder growth and weight gain.

She is stinkin' cute, by the way!

okay I think I may go pick up a small bag of Acana now but not sure which one I should try first. She's been kinda scratching and biting herself a bit lately maybe fleas? not sure. She's had her first set out of 3 puppy shots. She did the fecal test with dewormer and had round worm but haven't seen any worms in her stool after 2-3 days of dewormer. Her next shots are next Sunday

KMdogs 09-06-2012 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikki (Post 537535)
okay I think I may go pick up a small bag of Acana now but not sure which one I should try first. She's been kinda scratching and biting herself a bit lately maybe fleas? not sure. She's had her first set out of 3 puppy shots. She did the fecal test with dewormer and had round worm but haven't seen any worms in her stool after 2-3 days of dewormer. Her next shots are next Sunday

I had a nice long post for you but i accidentally "x" out the window.. So for now i'll just respond to the type of food..

Acana has both grain and grain free formulas, you would want to do their grain free "Regionals" line..

An example would be this formula; Deboned beef, lamb meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, beef liver, herring oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), deboned bison, deboned lamb, sun-cured alfalfa, salmon meal, lamb liver, pea fiber, pumpkin, spinach, turnip greens, tomatoes, carrots, apples, organic kelp, cranberries, blueberries, juniper berries, chicory root, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, lavender flowers, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, niacin, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.

Another option would be to go with Orijen, which is the top of Champions line, they have both all life stages such as Regional Red and Six Fish or their puppy formula..

Here is their Puppy Food: Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), sweet potato, peas, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, fresh boneless herring*, organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium. * DELIVERED FRESH, preservative-free and never frozen

Chewy.com has some of the best pricing i've seen with 2 - 3 day delivery spans from ordering to door step.

I personally have had the best results of dry kibble with Orijen, Regional Red of which i feed most of the year when not in season and the hounds earn their raw food..

Here is Regional Red: Fresh deboned wild boar*, fresh deboned lamb*, fresh beef liver*, fresh deboned pork*, lamb meal, peas, salmon meal, russet potato, herring meal, fresh whole eggs*, fresh deboned bison*, potato starch, fresh deboned salmon*, pacific whitefish meal, fresh deboned walleye*, salmon oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, dried organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium.

KMdogs 09-06-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikki (Post 537535)
okay I think I may go pick up a small bag of Acana now but not sure which one I should try first. She's been kinda scratching and biting herself a bit lately maybe fleas? not sure. She's had her first set out of 3 puppy shots. She did the fecal test with dewormer and had round worm but haven't seen any worms in her stool after 2-3 days of dewormer. Her next shots are next Sunday

Forgot to mention, biting and scratching can be a sign of fleas, seasonal allergies, skin irritation from a wide various of sources and about countless of other things.

Almost 3 months, give a bath of blue dawn.. Has to be blue and has to be dawn brand.. (wet first) Lather nice deep in the fur making sure the skin gets a touch... Wait about 20 or so seconds then rinse off REALLY well not leaving any dawn residue at all on the skin or fur to dry out..

Wipe her off really well and if this helps the scratching and biting, chances are its fleas.. Dawn kills fleas on contact but doesn't kill the eggs, if it helps wait about 4 - 5 days and do another dawn bath, then stop for a month. Probably will want to look at flea control to keep them in check if your area is bad however dawn will work well if not a sever case.

If its food allergies, which often occurs with cheap foods and cheap ingredients such as TOTW.. Your first sign is almost always small bumps or rough feeling ears inside or outside their flaps.. (not inner - ear) If gone unnoticed it is fairly common for skin bumps and rashes to also appear along with bumpy ears. If this is the case, switch the food ASAP as prolonging reactions can result to a life long journey of allergies. Genetically and in rare cases, they are born with these type of allergies however a good 9 times out of 10, it is actually feed induced allergies.. Meaning, a cheap feed caused the problems and the body did not recover after prolonging the experience and wear.

Of course, if considered stay away from anything Chicken derived as this is the most common food allergy along with grains.

Mikki 09-06-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KMdogs (Post 537539)
Forgot to mention, biting and scratching can be a sign of fleas, seasonal allergies, skin irritation from a wide various of sources and about countless of other things.

Almost 3 months, give a bath of blue dawn.. Has to be blue and has to be dawn brand.. (wet first) Lather nice deep in the fur making sure the skin gets a touch... Wait about 20 or so seconds then rinse off REALLY well not leaving any dawn residue at all on the skin or fur to dry out..

Wipe her off really well and if this helps the scratching and biting, chances are its fleas.. Dawn kills fleas on contact but doesn't kill the eggs, if it helps wait about 4 - 5 days and do another dawn bath, then stop for a month. Probably will want to look at flea control to keep them in check if your area is bad however dawn will work well if not a sever case.

If its food allergies, which often occurs with cheap foods and cheap ingredients such as TOTW.. Your first sign is almost always small bumps or rough feeling ears inside or outside their flaps.. (not inner - ear) If gone unnoticed it is fairly common for skin bumps and rashes to also appear along with bumpy ears. If this is the case, switch the food ASAP as prolonging reactions can result to a life long journey of allergies. Genetically and in rare cases, they are born with these type of allergies however a good 9 times out of 10, it is actually feed induced allergies.. Meaning, a cheap feed caused the problems and the body did not recover after prolonging the experience and wear.

Of course, if considered stay away from anything Chicken derived as this is the most common food allergy along with grains.

I am on my way to the pet store that offers champion brands I think I'm gonna try to Orijen puppy food . Doesn't that have chicken? No bumps on ears just bites herself a lot and I just found a little really hard bump on top of her head . Bug bite? Not sure =\ I think I'm gonna try a small bag of Orijen puppy food and see how she does on it

KMdogs 09-06-2012 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikki (Post 537542)
I am on my way to the pet store that offers champion brands I think I'm gonna try to Orijen puppy food . Doesn't that have chicken? No bumps on ears just bites herself a lot and I just found a little really hard bump on top of her head . Bug bite? Not sure =\ I think I'm gonna try a small bag of Orijen puppy food and see how she does on it

The puppy food has chicken, the all life stages Orijen you can feed your puppy as well.. It is really up to you as to what you want to do, the puppy food has the highest amount of protein of i believe 40 - 42% depending on the regular or large breed.. Which you would want to do the regular not large.

Price wise don't be shocked, Orijen is one of the most expensive brands out there but also has some of the less mark ups per bag of any brand out there.. Which means you are paying mostly for the quality of ingredients used rather than distribution, advertisement, etc.. Which Orijen does little of by comparison to other companies whom spend millions each year on commercials, billboards and other means of advertising.

But because Orijen does offer some of the best (arguably the best) nutritional values for dry feed, you will be feeding less than you would with TOTW.. However, i would still start out by around a cup a day either way and see how it goes.. Add more or less depending on how your pup reacts.

Typically, these type of feeds are best for working animals (rich feeds) however in order to be as close to biologically appropriate as possible, the amount of meat needed in dry feeds and the way it is processed into kibble equals higher amounts of protein than single or 2 - 3 sources of meat.

I have actually started ordering my feed through Chewy as the prices are very reasonable, Regional Red is $86.99 for 29.7lbs. The last order was messed up through the labor day holiday and delayed, the only time i've had issues with them thus far after using them for about 5 orders now..

The customer service representatives had also got some mix ups when talking to them about delivery, as an apology the company is refunding my $87 from this past order and shipping me 2 bags of their 15.4 pound Regional Reds free of charge. I also received a personal email apologizing as well, the little things and the going out of their way to ensure satisfaction as far as im concerned is high for a company that size.

So check prices for both your area and online, if you need to order online i recommend Chewy, also free shipping over $49.

I usually like to promote and help local businesses however theres only one place in town that sells Orijen and they are high, the place i used to get my feed from i had to drive an hour away to get it.. With gas prices, looked else where.


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