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Old 09-15-2012, 08:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
 

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Orijen ingredients are exclusive to Canada, not out sourced and not of lower quality. Runny poop associated with the food (if what PK doesn't work) can also be a result of over feeding and pooping before completely digested OR taking out walk/exercise too soon which can cause some dogs to have inconsistent poop particularly if they get hot before they poop.. AKA upset stomach.

How much do you feed, how much time do you wait until you take him out? How much water do you give and do you give water right after feeding or waiting a bit? With water on a full grown dog i wait at least 30 minutes in between feeding and water. Giving water the same time or right after a meal can also cause digestive issues as for some dogs, giving one right after the other in their tracks at the same time the feed doesn't have time to be properly broken down before it exits.. Which results in what you see.

Also, some dogs are naturally gassy. It may be a symptom or it may just be normal, i've fed hounds that could clear a room within seconds.. Others, not a stint.
Thanks for your reply. I agree on the gassy part, and that doesn't really bother me, but it does stink lol. My wife and I are on difficult schedules so he basically always has food in his bowl. He is 7 months old, 57 pounds, and eats anywhere from 3 to 5 cups per day. The runny stool SEEMS only to be in the morning, when we first let him out. He usually never eats during the day, and will start eating around 5pm and continues until 11pm. We exercise him 3-5 times per week in the evening when we come home from work and he never has runny stool afterwards. We leave fresh water out for him 24-7, we live in Alabama and it's very hot in the summer. He only goes outside for brief periods to play and use the bathroom, then he's always inside. I haven't considered the overeating issue as he just saw the vet to get his ear crop fixed and they vet says he looks wonderful, perfect weight.
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just my 2 cents since i dont have the experience like Performance and KM do... but that seems like a lot of food. my boy is close to 20 months and 73lbs and he gets 2 cups of Acana a day. Orijen is such a good food, and u dont need to feed as much as u would if he was on crappy purina or something like that.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yes 5 cups is ungodly amount of feed for your pup, a waste of money really and id pit my money on that being at least part of the problem. I feed my 94 pound bandog 4.5 cups of orijen a day and that is with as much labor he endures on a day to day basis. No way should your dog need that much
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Yes 5 cups is ungodly amount of feed for your pup, a waste of money really and id pit my money on that being at least part of the problem. I feed my 94 pound bandog 4.5 cups of orijen a day and that is with as much labor he endures on a day to day basis. No way should your dog need that much
The label says 3 1/4 - 4 1/4 cups per day for a dog of his age, weight. He very rarely eats 5 cups, usually between 3 and 4.
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Could also be too rich for him, I've had dogs on really great food and it was too rich and I had stool problems. With the metronidazole it should have got better within a few days. Finish the rest but if that does not help I would try switching foods. The best food on the market or not if the dog can't handle it then it's time to find something that will agree with them. Before you switch foods I would go to the vet and get a stool sample done and make sure you don't have a parasite.
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Could also be too rich for him, I've had dogs on really great food and it was too rich and I had stool problems. With the metronidazole it should have got better within a few days. Finish the rest but if that does not help I would try switching foods. The best food on the market or not if the dog can't handle it then it's time to find something that will agree with them. Before you switch foods I would go to the vet and get a stool sample done and make sure you don't have a parasite.
It is getting better, it's darker now and harder, so I will continue the treatment. If it doesnt work, I'll head to the vet. No problems. He's happy, I just want everything to be perfect for him.. And good call on the food, what else could I offer him that's on par with Orijen?
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I had the same problem with my boston terrier and I tried every food out there!! he was always fed a crappy diet before I got him so I had to try and reset his system. With time I found a food that worked and now he eats the grain free kirkland brand from costco. Grain free but not too rich and top of the line. He just couldn't tolerate the richer foods.
getting a stool sample would be the next step if it was my dog. Your dog does not have to show any signs of illness to have worms.

After that is clear then I would switch to a mid grade food. Maybe something like blue buffalo or if you have a costco try the grain free. Also you might be feeding too much and the dog can't process it all. 57lbs I could see feeding like 3 cups but it depends on how the dog looks. Do you have pictures? Of course they want you to feed a lot of food, they are in the business of selling dog food after all! lol
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Acana has less protien %s and is made by Champion just like Orijen and the label on the back has 2 columns, one for active and one for less active. The less active for a dog 73lbs like my Odin says i believe 2 1/4 cups a day. i settle on 2 cuz he gets treats like its nobodies business. but again just my 2 cents.
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I had the same problem with my boston terrier and I tried every food out there!! he was always fed a crappy diet before I got him so I had to try and reset his system. With time I found a food that worked and now he eats the grain free kirkland brand from costco. Grain free but not too rich and top of the line. He just couldn't tolerate the richer foods.
getting a stool sample would be the next step if it was my dog. Your dog does not have to show any signs of illness to have worms.

After that is clear then I would switch to a mid grade food. Maybe something like blue buffalo or if you have a costco try the grain free. Also you might be feeding too much and the dog can't process it all. 57lbs I could see feeding like 3 cups but it depends on how the dog looks. Do you have pictures? Of course they want you to feed a lot of food, they are in the business of selling dog food after all! lol
Very true. The dog looks great, not overweight. Every time we take him somewhere people go crazy over him and compliment his looks. I wish I had some good pics. I'm going to finish the antibiotic treatment, and if it continues, get a fecal sample at the vet. If it's clean, I'll try a less rich dog food, I suppose. It's really strange, only in the mornings and he eats only at night. He hasnt eaten a thing all day--it's like this everyday. He'll start eating here within the hour though..
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Acana has less protien %s and is made by Champion just like Orijen and the label on the back has 2 columns, one for active and one for less active. The less active for a dog 73lbs like my Odin says i believe 2 1/4 cups a day. i settle on 2 cuz he gets treats like its nobodies business. but again just my 2 cents.
Thanks for this, I was wondering if Acana would be an alternative..
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Thanks for this, I was wondering if Acana would be an alternative..
no problem. i ended up ordering from here Acana Wild Prairie Grain Free Dry Dog Food . that way i could save a few bucks. i think my local store wanted almost 10 bucks more for the same thing.
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Do you free feed? like leave food down all day? Your dog should eat as soon as you put the food down and be hungry not pick at it. I would back down the food to like 3 cups and see if that helps before switching. Too much food can upset the system and he could not be digesting it all when he eats and that's what is giving him the runs.
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Do you free feed? like leave food down all day? Your dog should eat as soon as you put the food down and be hungry not pick at it. I would back down the food to like 3 cups and see if that helps before switching. Too much food can upset the system and he could not be digesting it all when he eats and that's what is giving him the runs.
Good question--I DO free feed because my wife and I are on such crazy schedules. It breaks my heart to think that he is hungry so I just keep the food down there. He isn't fat, so I figured no issue. My work schedule changes frequently so the poor dog never knows when he's eating but he almost always eats at night (he just ate his first meal 20 minutes ago). Should I let him free feed, but only 3 cups a day?
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If you really can't feed the dog in the morning and then again at night you can get a programmable feeder. Lok walmart has a cheap one that will work perfectly
http://www.walmart.com/ip/5969455?ad...l5=pla&veh=sem

I feed my dogs in the late morning and then again at night when I put them to bed at about 11pm.

If you're feeling bad your dog is hungry then that's part of the problem. Dogs should always be hungry to a point. They should eat with enthusiasm not pick at the food. Your feeding way too much and your dog should eat twice a day. Here is an article about feeding properly
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Feeding

It’s important to make sure your meeting the nutritional requirements of your puppy. Puppies that are 6 to 8 weeks should be eating 3-4 times a day. After 8 weeks you can go to 3 times a day. Once a puppy is about 16 weeks old they can go to 2 times a day and continue through adulthood. Puppies should be kept on puppy food till at least 9-12 months of age. The size and breed of dog matters, ask your veterinarian what they recommend.

What food to buy?

You want a good quality puppy food to provide the best nutrition for your growing puppy. Good quality does not always mean the most expensive. You do get what you pay for so stay away from foods like “Old Roy” or “Gravy Train”. You want to look at the ingredients and make sure to stay away from anything that does not specify the protein source. If it just says bone and meat meal it could be anything from processed euthanized animals (yes some food contain euthanized animals) to bird beaks and feet. Also look for fillers. Corn is used as filler and is not very digestible. Look for something like rice instead.
We recommend Kirkland dog food from Costco. They have a great puppy food and have adult food in Lamb and Rice or Chicken and Rice. Kirkland is used by many breeders across the country and is our little secret for a great dog food at an affordable price.

Does my puppy need supplements?

The answer is yes and no. If you have a good balanced food there is no need to supplement. On the other hand, we do live in New Mexico and is very dry. If you notice a dry coat you can try adding fish oil to the dogs food. This will help keep the coat from drying out and give it a glossy look. A cheap solution for fish oil is the over the counter fish oil capsules at the pharmacy. They work great and most does love the little surprise in the food.

How much do I feed my puppy?

You could go by the recommendations on the back of the dog food but most people will find that is too much. When your puppy is under 8 weeks let them eat till they are full. They need all the extra calories to grow. After 8 weeks for a medium size dog (when full grown) you can give - cup 3 times a day. Look at your puppy and use your best judgment when adjusting the amount you feed. Increase or decrease by a cup. If they act whiny or starving all them time increase the amount you feed. If they are leaving food in the bowl, decrease the amount.



What about free feeding?

Free feeding is when you leave a bowl of food out all day and the dogs eat when they want. This works for some dogs but can lead to obesity. If you have multiple dogs this can cause fights and food aggression. Dogs should be feed in separate areas preferably in their crates.

How to get your puppy in a routine for feeding.

You should always measure your puppy’s food. It’s important to know how much they are eating. A pet food-measuring cup will give you an accurate idea of what you are giving your puppy. Don’t mistake puppy fat for obesity. It is very easy to overfeed your puppy and make them obese. Usually this can happen after 4 months of age. Their metabolism starts to change and it may be necessary to adjust the amount you feeding. When puppies are obese it can cause severe health risks including hip dysplasia from the extra weight.
Start by offering food in the morning. Puppies are growing and will be hungry. Put the food on the floor/crate and leave it for 10 minutes. If they do not eat pick up the food and wait till the next scheduled time. Puppies under 16 weeks should get food again mid-day, over 16 weeks in the evenings. Puppies will usually not skip a meal this really applies to adults that are going on a new feeding schedule.

Getting your puppy on a feeding schedule just makes life easier and is a good way to monitor your dog’s weight. You should be able to feel ribs without having to push to hard. Most breeds will also have a tucked in waist. Example of breeds with no waist would be a bulldog.
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