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Old 12-31-2017, 10:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Problem Barking

Hi,

I just adopted a 9 month old pitbull one month ago. She has been doing really well with training and responding to me and my husband taking care of her. However, the last few days we have been unable to find out why she is barking all day long. She is barking RIGHT NOW and has been out potty, had a walk, and I have tried playing with her with all of her toys. I have tried giving her things to chew on but she doesn't want to play or sit and chew on something. She is not responding to anything that I have tried. How do I find out why is barking and also get her to stop? I really need help... she's making me very angry and I don't want to feel this way toward our new family member...
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Old 01-01-2018, 12:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Welcome to the forum LeaP.

My guess is that she barks because she wants attention and barking gets it. Positive or negative attention is still attention. The puppy does not know that you don't want it to bark. All it does know is you respond when it does.

You need to ignore the barking and praise it when it does not bark. When it starts barking leave the room and close the door if possible. Ignore the barking and when the dog stops-- praise it. Put the dog in it's kennel and walk out of the room. When the barking stops for a couple of minutes, go back in the room and praise it. When the barking starts break all contact with the dog -- NO attention. This is not going to work in minutes but the dog will catch on and realize it can't make you respond by barking but it can get attention when it doesn't bark.

Do keep in mind the dog is still a puppy and it has just gone through an uprooting. Give it some time to settle in but don't waste even a minute when it comes to training. Losing your temper and hollering will only confuse the dog as it doesn't understand what you want. Dogs want only to please you but it has to be taught what you want.

What did you name your new girl? We would love to see some pictures, more the better.

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Old 01-01-2018, 02:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I wrote this a while ago for a different forum and it is written more for those who keep yards of dogs but it will apply here for the basic pet owner as well.. Sorry that the pictures no longer work but photobucket decided to sell out. My apologies. Good luck in whatever method you use to deter this annoying behavior......

I've been asked several times in the last few weeks to do a thread on my use of bark collars. I figure, it could possibly help someone who may wish to break a constant barker they have and maybe don't know how to curb the behavior, open up discussion on others experience with their collar of choice or other methods and give pointers as to the proper use of them to curb the behavior. I've have a 98% success rate over the last 10 years that I've been using them and I have yet to not break one of the annoying habit. I'm still working on that other 2%. In time, I'm fairly confident that will hit 100% in time.

If you have these dogs on chain set ups in a city environment, the more of an annoyance that you or the dogs are to your neighbors is probably one of the fastest ways to end up with some people knocking on your door that you do not want snooping around your animals or property. Being neighborly, whether you like your neighbors or not, can really go along way. Don't leave dog crap all around your spots, garbage strewn all around the area, try to set the area up whereas your neighbors don't have to constantly look at your dogs i.e privacy fences etc. A barker will definitely make your neighbors dislike you fast and in most cases call them boyz on you. This should really be in the back of anyone who owns this breed of dogs mind no matter what your purpose is for having them.

Anyways lets get started...

These are the 3 collars I use and each has its pros and cons and I'll try to cover some of each.

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I'm going to start with the one in the middle first because it is the one I use the least. It's made by PetSafe and uses a spray of citronella in the dogs face when it barks. I use it the least mostly because I spray my dogs with citronella every few days so the smell don't really bother them since they are used to it and an adult dog that is determined to bark it's face off will cost you a lot of money in refilling the cartridge, and usually just don't work. On pups who start young picking up the barking habit though this collar actually works really well. They don't like it at all. However I myself raise my pups indoors so they don't usually learn the habit until they are about a year old and are out on a chain. Again, works pretty well on pups under 10 months old but kind of worthless for an adult in most cases.

Next up is my #1 Collar and it's broke many of their urge to bark with any regularity. It's on your right in that picture of the collars. It's also made by PetSafe, is automatic, has 5 stages and gauges the correction according to the intensity of the bark. In other words, a light bark will get a moderate vibration a full blown bark will get lit up. This is hands down my favorite collar to use and I have broke every dog that it's been on from barking except one. There is downfall to it, the box has to stay on the front of the neck to be effective and seeing as it's a secondary collar on the dogs neck it does get turned a lot with a active chain running dog. Means you have to go out periodically to check its placement. Again though, I have broke many with this kind of collar. More than any other collar I've ever tried. The best part is, it works whether you're around or not.

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Last on my list is one that is not made by Petsafe. I am actually unsure who actually makes this one as I bought it on ebay and the box does not have a company name on it. However, I've only recently had to use it because I acquired a mutt that is probably one of the worst barkers I have ever owned. The other 2 collars did not work on her. She quickly learned how to turn my favorite collar so she can bark free of being shocked and she went through a cartridge of citronella in the other collar in about 20 minutes, and killed the battery. Not very ideal. This collar however, does a few different things. Vibrates, Shocks and emits a high frequency sound and all 3 can be done by remote. This collar is not automatic. You have to do the correction yourself.

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This collar made the most aggressive barker here STFU immediately after squealing for about 15 seconds lol after I press the Shock button. I'm conditioning her by first by yelling no and hitting the sound. If she doesn't stop I will hit her with the Vibrate. If she still persists, she gets lit up with the Shock and it's blissful quietness for at least an hour lol. The more I do it the less she barks. in a week or 2 the collar will come off and only return when the barking does. Over a pretty quick period of time they ALL learn that a bark will result in something unpleasant and they stop the unnecessary barking. None of these are 100% effective on every dog but in my experience with them, they work far more often than they don't when used correctly. It takes some dogs longer than others but eventually they will get it.

Keeping your yard clean, quiet and being conscious of your neighbors can save you a lot of headaches with them or even worse, Animal Control or the Police. It is not an easy task to raise this breed in numbers in an urban environment. I would never recommend it to anyone however I know people will always do it, so at least do it right and keep the attention to your yard very minimal. I truly hope this helps someone and that more people give their own ideas of what works for them. Keep em quiet and you'll have them around a lot longer. At the end of the day, we just want to enjoy our dogs, can't do that if you're fighting a case and if you think it can't happen just that fast, just read any one of the news feeds here that catch the many articles of people losing their dogs and the images they use to nail you like shit everywhere, garbage all over the chain spot, no water bucket in sight and constant neighbor complaints. Do it right or don't do it at all folks and keep the attention to yourself and your yard to a minimal.......


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They have their place but I would suggest using a bark collar only as a last resort. You're dealing with a 9 month old puppy in this case. I'd recommend to try training the puppy first.

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Your right, training goes a long way. Also there's a very big difference between performance animals vs your typical common dog's mentality. Bark collars are a training tool. If said dog barks when it's owner is around and can redirect it, that's fine and dandy however how do you curb the behavior through training without being there, like when your at work, the store, out to dinner etc. and no one is around to correct the behavior while the pup is barking it's face off all day long?. Also, bark collars don't need to be last resort. They work fantastic at what they are designed for when used properly so why not cut to the chase and curb the behavior quickly?
9, 10, 12 month old pups learn extremely fast with them with minimal effort on the owners part. Not all bark collars shock either which is why I also mentioned the citronella spray collars we use for those who feel some type of way about the other versions, however they simply are not as effective to a determined dog. All serve their purpose. This isn't my opinion, I've dealt with this issue for years successfully, decades now even. You know what my neighbors and I hear outside in my yard of 6 to 10 dogs at any given time......... Silence.... lol

There are many tools in a toolbox. Finding one that works best for an individuals needs and situation will always vary. The collars are my personal go to tool for that particular job. They work, and they work well. Even with 9 month old pups. I can drive a screw into a wall with a hammer but a screwdriver does the job better faster and more efficiently.
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Welcome to the forum LeaP.

My guess is that she barks because she wants attention and barking gets it. Positive or negative attention is still attention. The puppy does not know that you don't want it to bark. All it does know is you respond when it does.

You need to ignore the barking and praise it when it does not bark. When it starts barking leave the room and close the door if possible. Ignore the barking and when the dog stops-- praise it. Put the dog in it's kennel and walk out of the room. When the barking stops for a couple of minutes, go back in the room and praise it. When the barking starts break all contact with the dog -- NO attention. This is not going to work in minutes but the dog will catch on and realize it can't make you respond by barking but it can get attention when it doesn't bark.

Do keep in mind the dog is still a puppy and it has just gone through an uprooting. Give it some time to settle in but don't waste even a minute when it comes to training. Losing your temper and hollering will only confuse the dog as it doesn't understand what you want. Dogs want only to please you but it has to be taught what you want.

What did you name your new girl? We would love to see some pictures, more the better.

Joe
Thank you for the helpful advice. I will definitely try that! She is very stubborn but also extremely smart so I think she will learn quickly. Her name is Iris, named after the song my husband and I had our first dance to at our wedding She is a white pitbull with black spots on her ears and a couple of lighter ones along her body. (I have a difficult time figuring out technology so I will post pictures when I can get help haha.)
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Thank you, everyone, for your help. I feel more hopeful already!
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Your right, training goes a long way. Also there's a very big difference between performance animals vs your typical common dog's mentality. Bark collars are a training tool. If said dog barks when it's owner is around and can redirect it, that's fine and dandy however how do you curb the behavior through training without being there, like when your at work, the store, out to dinner etc. and no one is around to correct the behavior while the pup is barking it's face off all day long?. Also, bark collars don't need to be last resort. They work fantastic at what they are designed for when used properly so why not cut to the chase and curb the behavior quickly?
9, 10, 12 month old pups learn extremely fast with them with minimal effort on the owners part. Not all bark collars shock either which is why I also mentioned the citronella spray collars we use for those who feel some type of way about the other versions, however they simply are not as effective to a determined dog. All serve their purpose. This isn't my opinion, I've dealt with this issue for years successfully, decades now even. You know what my neighbors and I hear outside in my yard of 6 to 10 dogs at any given time......... Silence.... lol

There are many tools in a toolbox. Finding one that works best for an individuals needs and situation will always vary. The collars are my personal go to tool for that particular job. They work, and they work well. Even with 9 month old pups. I can drive a screw into a wall with a hammer but a screwdriver does the job better faster and more efficiently.
Thanks for taking the time for the explanation AGK. You're 100% correct, they definitely have their place and are an effective tool. For people who need their dog to quit barking when they are not at home, persistent fence barkers that bark at every leave that blows by and especially for outside dogs or packs. They are an effective training too without a doubt.

In this case I suggested "hands on" training because they just got the puppy and it sounds like an inside dog. If that doesn't work I would have no problem using the "collar on" approach.

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Thank you for the helpful advice. I will definitely try that! She is very stubborn but also extremely smart so I think she will learn quickly. Her name is Iris, named after the song my husband and I had our first dance to at our wedding She is a white pitbull with black spots on her ears and a couple of lighter ones along her body. (I have a difficult time figuring out technology so I will post pictures when I can get help haha.)
They are smart and want only to please, let us know how things go with Iris.

Posting pictures here require a few steps.
First, the picture will have to be hosted online. some of us use Imgur.com or some other free picture hosting site. Go to the site where the picture is hosted (Imgur, Google etc.) and open the picture. Now, mouse over the URL address, right click and select copy from the drop down box.
Next, come back to this forum and open a response box or start a new thread. Place the cursor where you want the picture to display and click on the "Insert Image" icon from the top of the response box (it's the yellow one).
This will open a box that will ask you to enter the URL of your picture. Backspace off the http:// and right click in the address line. Then select paste and the pictures URL will be in the line. Click "OK" and the picture will show in your message after you submit reply.
It may sound difficult but after a few times it will become very fast.

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