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Old 06-23-2009, 05:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think that today yes we need to health test because people of today can not think past the end of their noses sometimes. I have heard so many times I have a dog and I want to breed her. WHY????? What has your dog proven other than it goes into heat.

People of yesterday were more sensible and not in it for the MONEY. They wanted a good descently breed sound dog.

I don't plan on ever breeding dogs but I would certainly health test and prove my stock before I even thought about having a litter of pups.
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this is just a whole other bag of worms The reasons every tom,dick and harry wants a yard,wants to breed there pit's,i don't know,it's more of a issue for a psychiatrist to solve than a apbt forum to answer,why don't people wanna breed there Labrador regardless of temperament and health and goals achieved?
Everyone wants to be the next breeder,start there own bogus "wanna be line" based souly off other peoples stock,theres so little understanding,nobody wants to do there research,learn there history,and most importantly think for them self,instead they base there goals on romantic fairy tales of dog men of the past or bully dogs of the present,it takes a special individual to see through the lies and do things right
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Awww but Keith people are breeding other breeds of dogs and ruining them. the labs of today do not even come close to what a lab of yester year was. Have you seen these show labs they weigh well over a 100# are short and stocky it puts a new meaning to a bench lab. I perfer the field lab myself they are leaner adn atleast look like the labs I remember growing up.

I think it comes down to ignorance. Heck pick up a book read about your breed of choice find out why it was developed in the first place find a mentor....this is a big thing because most people don't like being told anything we have a bunch of know-it-all walking around with their heads up their butts, but heaven forbid you try to tell them something they don't know. That is why education is so important. We as responsible owners need to take every step possible to educate the public on this breed and that it is NOT right for every one.



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Old 06-23-2009, 06:28 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Awww but Keith people are breeding other breeds of dogs and ruining them. the labs of today do not even come close to what a lab of yester year was. Have you seen these show labs they weigh well over a 100# are short and stocky it puts a new meaning to a bench lab. I perfer the field lab myself they are leaner adn atleast look like the labs I remember growing up.

I think it comes down to ignorance. Heck pick up a book read about your breed of choice find out why it was developed in the first place find a mentor....this is a big thing because most people don't like being told anything we have a bunch of know-it-all walking around with their heads up their butts, but heaven forbid you try to tell them something they don't know. That is why education is so important. We as responsible owners need to take every step possible to educate the public on this breed and that it is NOT right for every one.
yes but every other dog in pound isn't some other breed it's a pit bull.
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:39 PM   #19 (permalink)
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That I can not talk about that as in my area there are not many pitbulls in the shelter. Most are labs, lab crosses, German Shepherds and small designer breeds too. I know that down in the cities( Minneapolis/St.Paul) there are a couple of shelters that have alot of pitbull tye dogs and they are so hard to adopt from that it is almost impossible to get one of their dogs.



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I don't see a lot of pits in the shelter here in my city either. I have a friend over the hs and she calls/emails whenever a pit or pit suspected dog is in the shelter to ensure it's not one of mine (I haven't gotten a call or email in over a year....). None of my bred bys has never ended up in the shelter at any rate (they are also all chipped in my name for the first year of their lives). The issue with the shelter is not breed specific more so owner related IMO.
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Old 06-23-2009, 07:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well they are the #1 breed in shelters,regardless that is a topic for another thread,let's stay on track or we'll waste a good topic,partly my fault.
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Had to go back and re-read. When you say health teat what exactly are you talking about. To some people it means x-rays of hips and nothing more to others it means x-rays of hips and elbows, and still to others it is hips, elbows, Certs(?eyes). I would think it would include a blood panel so you know that everything is on track like kidneys and liver. What about an echo cardiogram for heart defects? Is there a stardard breeders health test checklist so if a breeder says that the parents are health check it means certain tests have been performed?



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Maybe dogs were healthier in the past because there were more mixed breeds with less inbreeding going on. I don't really claim to know for sure. All I know is that I health-test because it tells me things that I cannot see with my eyes. And I also work my dogs. If there's something I can do to make myself a more informed owner able to make better decisions, I'll do it. And that includes dropping the money on health tests, even on those dogs that I don't intend to breed. (It is still good for the breeder to know what's going on.)
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But what tests are you talking about? What do you as a breeder consider the proper health tests?



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Old 06-23-2009, 11:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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good question,i don't breed so i don't test.poor hips would show after rigerous work so i don't see the need for it,then again it can't hurt and provides the potential buyer with that much added security.
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I do hips and hearts unless I see the need for something else.
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i think people health test to ease their minds. i would have to agree that the dogs of yesterday seemed to be healthier then again they were bred for the [].
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I don't know that dogs of the past were healthier. Now days we have test and better vet ability to recognize more problems and illness.

When dogs were used for working, reading on some different breeds histories problems did exist back then with health. It was not as easy to test nor eliminate like today. They bred and found out the hard way. At times they also inbred which produced litters with problems. They would breed and cull to try and eliminate problems, where we can test before we breed and cull that way.

The problems that exist in some breeds today have been for many years before they stopped being used for working.

I also think that with our breed since recent game bred dogs have health issues there is no reason to think that past game bred dogs didn't.
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But what tests are you talking about? What do you as a breeder consider the porper health tests?
I'm not a breeder, but I think if I considered a dog worth breeding, I'd do the following:

Hips
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I might do more if I felt so inclined or thought they were needed, but those four would be the bare minimum IMO. Loki had her hips, elbows, patellas, cardiac and CERF (eyes) done, plus got a tattoo. Under $250 for all of that at a health clinic.
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maybe the fact that more dogs were culled ment more dogs were healthy because unhealthy dogs were not allowed to breed let alone live as often as today,then again it could have to do with a tighter gene pool nowadays.
Personaly through research on a varity of breeds you can see dogs of yesterday were bred more for function as clearly evident by evaluating photos of type.
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