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Old 05-06-2009, 12:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Question Help, with nipping and play rough???????

I have a 4 month old pitbully that is nipping and will not stop playing rough with my 1 year old pitbull mix female. I know that pitbulls will play rough with each other and I dont think the act in itself is really a problem for me, it is just that when I tell them to stop my female does and my puppy will not. Also, when my bully pup does not want to be led away with your hand on his harness (no leash) he will turn his head and put his whole mouth on you. I have been working with NILF, and also using a loud noises to correct this behavior as "ouch" never worked. Although he responds to the loud deep ah ah, I worry that to the wrong person he will still attempt to nip.

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Do you think it would be effective to utilize a shock collar as way of correcting this behavior. Our trainer feels it might be affective, and I feel that along with the ah ah command this could be a good way to help him to differentiate between acceptable, and unacceptable behavior. I just want to correct him with it for about a week along with ah ah and hope he associates the ah ah as a negative reaction by me. Other than this he is doing well. Also he seems to be pretty uninterested in me our my family unless he is training and we are using treats. Is this normal? Do you think his behavior or habits are are just a pre-warning of what is to become? I think most dogs can be trained with consistency but at 4 months I need to at least nip the biting behavior and help him to understand that when I say stop playing that mean stop. Your advice is appreciated.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
 

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The puppy is the Alpha dog and leader of the house (in the puppies mind). You won't be able to fix the problem until you show the puppy in a consistant way that you are the leader and not the puppy.

So, using an e collar will help you control the puppy's dominant behavior. If you use it when the puppy is showing dominance then the puppy will understand the dominant behavior is not exceptable.

I wouldn't use loud noises. You don't want the puppy to be scared of you. You just want the puppy to learn the house rules and who is the one that makes the rules.

Good luck.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
 

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I am not anti remote collar at all, but this is a very young puppy who needs to be taught what _to_ do not just what not to do. Four months is an optimum age for imprinting learning. Be careful when using compulsion-- you don't want to end up causing fear, reactivity, or antagonism.
You could be using targets, time outs, conditioned relaxation, and teaching him one on one while giving your older dog some peace and quiet, too.

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Old 05-06-2009, 02:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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I would NOT use a e-collar on a 4 month old puppy. I'm actually shocked your trainer would suggest it. About him being uninterested in you & your family is this when your other dog is around? If your puppy plays a lot with your other dog he may be learning that your other dog is more fun to be around then you. I would isolate some time for just puppy play and then times to play with both dogs. As far as him nipping when you lead him away by his harness I would keep a leash nearby and clip it on him when he needs to be taken away. When my dog was a pup and decided to nip I would grab him(not hard) by his muzzle and te him NO! Then get up and ignore him for 10 minutes. Or redirect his attention to a toy. You need to teach your puppy what stop means. Does your pup look at you when you call his name or have a watch me command?
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:29 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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As the puppy gets older, he will start to learn what is acceptable on his own, if you combine that with reinforcing good behavior, and correcting bad behavior, your pup will pick up manners without the need for a remote collar. I am all for a remote collar, but not on a pup that young, give him a chance first. When the play gets too rough, separate the dogs, and give the pup a time out in his crate, keep a favorite toy or treat handy, and give him 10 mins of cool down time.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
 

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Thank you for all of your replies they have been helpful. I will take what you have said to heart and work with Biggie without the use of the electric collar for now. If need be I will use the collar when he is older. I have a good hand with dogs and just need to be more persitent and not get frustrated I guess. I am so glad I found this forum it is good to know that others understand. I will keep you informed of how everything works out with Biggie. Big Thanks to you all!!!!
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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i just use the old fashioned time out method. when capri starts playing hard or keeps biting saying no,or kind of pushing her off doesnt work bc she just thinks its a game and comes back twice as hard. if she gets out of line ill tell her no firmly and if she doesnt get the hint i put her in her crate for 5 min until she calms down. its been working pretty well.
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Old 05-19-2018, 11:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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They should be banned and illegal. I sent my Pitbull out on a Trial adoption for 8 days and on the 6th day the people used a shock collar on him cause of him digging at fence I told them to do chicken wire or cinder blocks. He came back for a break and on the very day they did it..he became nippy later and rough in play...these things cause Fear and Aggression :-( I been working with him and yesterday after some days he became calm with me, cause he loves me but when he went back to foster home he acted up a bit again not as bad but SEE how it changes them? Those things HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This thread is over a decade old. And your perception of e collars is skewed. While it should never be used on a puppy, when used properly it is a useful tool when rehabbing adult dogs. All tools can have negative affects when not used properly.
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