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Old 08-09-2014, 02:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Best way to handle 4 month old playing too rough with other dog.

Odin will be 4 months old on the 12th. Our other dog, a Corgi named Ein, is around 2 years old (adopted from a shelter who lied about her original age). Odin, being a puppy is very much into the play fighting. He does it with out cats which is what I'm watching him do as I type this and of course with Ein. We monitor him closely when he plays especially with the cats. He seems to have a healthy respect of the cats claws, though he did just grab a mouthful of the cats neck a moment ago and I had to tell him to stop.

My concern is, when he play fights with Ein, he grabs her by the neck or ear and shakes or drags her around by it. When she whines he only sometimes stops. We are not sure if we should allow any play fighting since he is so rough. We have been redirecting him to stuffed animals to play the last 24 hours and he has done fine that way but I have done some more reading about bite inhibiting and how vital it is he learn it. He NEVER bites us hard, no pressure at all behind the nibbles, but as he gets larger (and Ein doesn't) I don't want him to be a risk to her.

What is the best way to continue forward at this point? Allow the fighting with monitoring and separation if he makes Ein whine or stop it all together? Or another idea entirely? We pretty much prevent any play with the cats (sniffing, poking with nose, getting and giving nuzzles, etc allowed but no mouth or paws on them for their safety) but what about with Ein?

Oh and it's worth mentioning that due to Odin's size, Ein can't really "tell him off". All she can do is whine and hope he stops. He tends to grab her from behind and pull backwards preventing her getting any grab on him to make him stop.

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Old 08-09-2014, 05:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
 

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If Ein can't give the correction, you need to.
A squirt gun aimed at the rump works for some dogs.
Canned compressed air works. Again, aim it at the rump so the dog lets loose and twirls around to see what "got" him.
If those don't work, or they're too soft of a correction, you might try a riding crop like they make for horses. You aren't going to whip or hit the dog, just tap it.
Every time Odin starts getting too rough, he gets corrected.

Don't use your hands to do the corrections, because then Odin will learn that he has to behave when you're around. If the correction comes out of nowhere, he'll learn to ramp it down always.

Have you taken him to any puppy classes? That's another thought. The other pups are pretty good at correcting each other, and he'll learn faster that way.
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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The next puppy class starts the start of September so I'll be taking him then. I will definitely invest in a water gun and give that a try. Thank you. When I squirt him, say nothing or verbally correct too?
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Correct. The feel of the water itself is the correction.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
 

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Well I spent all last night water gun armed and didn't need it. He only play fought twice and when she yelped he stopped so I'm pleased I didn't have to intervene.

We have been praising him for playing with his toys and while we never discouraged playing with Ein he seems to be using more of his energy on toys and that has been good.

I do have one more question, when I'm petting Odin he likes to 'groom' me back. He will put his closed teeth against my skin and open and close then rapidly. I've never yelped because it doesn't hurt. Should I discourage this behavior?

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Old 08-10-2014, 10:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
 

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I, personally, only correct that if I feel teeth on my skin. That's when I yelp and turn away. The dogs are allowed to lick me and "pibble nibble" (my word for the tooth thing you're describing) because it isn't dangerous behavior. I just don't want my pup to get the idea that human skin inside her jaws is ok.
(Don't even get me started on random people dabbling their fingers inside her mouth so she'll play. Really? We're going to encourage a young, strong dog to chomp on hands?)

My youngest is 12 months old right now. I really don't need to do the yelp and turn away routine anymore. When she forgets and chews on me it just takes a look and she wanders off to find a toy. I do get regular kisses, and these are oral dogs so it's something you just get used to.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You can also try to tire your puppy out more before allowing them to interact. You should show them what kind of play is acceptable so as your pup grows they are aware of why's allowed and what isn't.


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Old 08-12-2014, 12:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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Since arming ourselves with water guns he's stopped each time she yelps without requiring any intervention on our part. We have used them when he's being insistent and won't leave her alone when she's trying to exit play. While she tolerates his play she's not having fun playing either so we are trying to encourage toy play as much as possible and he is definitely playing more with his toys than with Ein so that's a relief for Ein. He's gotten where he will run up and pounce, more like our cats than a dog so far it's pretty infrequent but we are monitoring since she is smaller. Don't want him accidentally hurting her back.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
 

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I'm glad the water guns work!
Come to think of it, I need to dig one out to use on Bizmark when he gets obsessive about the cat.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
 

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So far he's done really well. Ein only has to yelp about two times a day now and he immediately stops. He can be very insistent with her so we distract him with toys sometimes to give her a break. The rest he's gentle enough she's ok. He's started lots of swinging his head around open mouthed without actually biting anywhere and that's come as a relief to us all. He's gotten more chasey with the cats but he's just hit four months and from what I understand that's a very chasing time for pups. He's also not pottied on the carpet the last two nights and so far today is his first no accident day so he's definitely improving!
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