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Old 10-21-2009, 04:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Question 8 week and 2 yr old not getting along

We've had Cocoa for two years. She has been to many puppy classes and training and for the most part she is well behaved. Recently we started taking her to a puppy day care where she can get out all of her energy and socialize with other dogs her size. We've been receiving complaints about her growling. She never used to growl at home it's something she picked up from this doggy day care. Most recently we added an 8 week old (Scout) to the mix. Both our APBT are females. The lil one will take toys away from our 2 year old, and vice versa. Scout also likes to bite at Cocoa's neck and face. When they tug a rope together the growling seems so loud that theyre not playing each one is trying to dominate the other. Am i paranoid or is this bad play? Like I said the 2 year old was well behaved for the most part before learning to growl at day care and then now with our new puppy. Is our new puppy's biting playful or mean?
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APBT's are commonly DA (dog aggressive). It's probably not the best idea to take your 2 year old to a day care with a bunch of other dogs... kinda like a glorified dog park i'd imagine.. but YOU aren't there to keep watch! i would never leave my dog at a day care, esp an APBT... but Cocoa is probably just showing signs of DA and also isn't responding well to the puppy. You should either do as StaffyDaddy said and crate and rotate, or find a new home for the puppy where she won't have to be crated and rotated. Good luck!
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We've had Cocoa for two years. She has been to many puppy classes and training and for the most part she is well behaved. Recently we started taking her to a puppy day care where she can get out all of her energy and socialize with other dogs her size. We've been receiving complaints about her growling. She never used to growl at home it's something she picked up from this doggy day care. Most recently we added an 8 week old (Scout) to the mix. Both our APBT are females. The lil one will take toys away from our 2 year old, and vice versa. Scout also likes to bite at Cocoa's neck and face. When they tug a rope together the growling seems so loud that theyre not playing each one is trying to dominate the other. Am i paranoid or is this bad play? Like I said the 2 year old was well behaved for the most part before learning to growl at day care and then now with our new puppy. Is our new puppy's biting playful or mean?
1) your 2 yr old is still a puppy and has not matured yet, once dogs mature around 3 and after they start to show their real colors. Even then, some dogs specially APBT's loose their tolerance of other dogs as they get older. This is a great indication that your 2 yr old puppy is loosing its fondness of other dogs.

2) Two females in one household is a terrible idea when you are having them as pets, many responsible owners that participate in dog sports have same sex dogs for show or competitions but they crate and rote. You gotta ask your self why you would add a dog of the same sex to a household with a dog breed with the origins of dog fighting.

3) mouthing is completely normal with dogs, they don't have hands to shove around and push each other so they mouth and they paw. There is a difference with mouthing and actually catching(biting) and shaking that is when it is time to bring out the breakstick. With two dogs of a pitbull type, that is not the best behavior to allow to happen anyway. Excessive growling while playing or any growling during play is not a good sign. The tug of war game can turn into a full breakstick operation event.

4) A puppy doesn't know its rules and limitations it is going to try to push as much as it can, unfortunetly you have an older puppy and much bigger than the little one that can inflict much damage if the little one gets out of hand. If your bigger pup does not listen to you when it is getting nasty with the pup, you have a time bomb waiting to happen.
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1) your 2 yr old is still a puppy and has not matured yet, once dogs mature around 3 and after they start to show their real colors. Even then, some dogs specially APBT's loose their tolerance of other dogs as they get older. This is a great indication that your 2 yr old puppy is loosing its fondness of other dogs.

2) Two females in one household is a terrible idea when you are having them as pets, many responsible owners that participate in dog sports have same sex dogs for show or competitions but they crate and rote. You gotta ask your self why you would add a dog of the same sex to a household with a dog breed with the origins of dog fighting.

3) mouthing is completely normal with dogs, they don't have hands to shove around and push each other so they mouth and they paw. There is a difference with mouthing and actually catching(biting) and shaking that is when it is time to bring out the breakstick. With two dogs of a pitbull type, that is not the best behavior to allow to happen anyway. Excessive growling while playing or any growling during play is not a good sign. The tug of war game can turn into a full breakstick operation event.

4) A puppy doesn't know its rules and limitations it is going to try to push as much as it can, unfortunetly you have an older puppy and much bigger than the little one that can inflict much damage if the little one gets out of hand. If your bigger pup does not listen to you when it is getting nasty with the pup, you have a time bomb waiting to happen.

Great post... I do agree with everything, but would like to question you about #1.

I think it could be Dog Aggression, rather then her "just not being fond of other dogs" I know roughly thats what dog aggression translates into, but it is something that you need to be prepared to deal with. I said crate and rotate because the pup should be trained and all, but it should be a known practice in a multiple dog household and it sounds like the 2 year old dog was fine until recently. IMO it could be the DA starting to emerge or she could be lashing out at the new addition to your family.

Not all dogs get along, and perhaps your dog may just be dog aggressive. I would work on correcting the younger pup when they mouth, just like you probably trained your older dog. Never leave them unattended, but also be prepared to crate and rotate, because even under your supervision, things could get out of hand. JMO
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