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Old 09-22-2014, 07:22 PM   #31 (permalink)
 

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My wife and I are working on this now. Dot is about 2 months old and they yelping technique worked for my wife but no longer is working. So we switched to the scruff method.

This works but also gets her going wild. I believe in time she will learn but for right now we scruff, scold then when she calms down or stops we praise with her toy/dog treat.

Is there anything else we might be able to try or can improve in our methods?
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:59 AM   #32 (permalink)
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What about the ignore and stop play/interaction with back turned and arms crossed until the dog stops being annoying. Have you tried that as well,?
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:06 PM   #33 (permalink)
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What about the ignore and stop play/interaction with back turned and arms crossed until the dog stops being annoying. Have you tried that as well,?
X2 this is the method I'm using with my boys Beagle and it is working well. I would suggest trying it if you haven't.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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What about the ignore and stop play/interaction with back turned and arms crossed until the dog stops being annoying. Have you tried that as well,?

X3...this worked well with my girl, she hates being ignored! Then I directed her to a toy or bone to play with/chew on.
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What about the ignore and stop play/interaction with back turned and arms crossed until the dog stops being annoying. Have you tried that as well,?
Yep! I combined the two -- I gave a sharp yelp, then curled away from her. Once she stopped, I shoved a toy at her. It takes time and patience. A lot of both.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:23 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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Old thread i know, but i have a question about the yelping and ignoring the puppy...this doesnt really work because we yelp and she usually stops, then right back at biting so we yelp and turn to ignore her and she just keeps biting doesnt seem to care that we are trying to ignore her. So then sometimes we yelp and get up to leave the room, on the walk out she is biting pants and tugging. How do you ignore the puppy if she doesnt care and just continues biting. We have been starting to shove a chew toy in her face instead and that seems to be going somewhere

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Old 04-04-2017, 10:50 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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tanked402,

Don't know if it is the case but when a pup is separated from the mother and siblings before at least 8 weeks the pup is never taught bite inhibition by it's pack. It is a daunting task for us to teach them what they learn quickly from their mother.

Giving a yelp may work for some but I personally have not had much luck with it. The lesson the pup needs to learn is that if they bite, play time/treat time is over. Ignore the dog and walk away. If the dog continues to follow or nip at you give it a LOUD and firm "NO!!" Startle it with your voice and move away.
After 10 minutes or so, return to the dog and engage in play or petting. Praise it when it doesn't bite and at the first sign of nipping give it the firm "NO" again. Try this for awhile. These dogs want only to please us. As soon as the pup realizes that you are not happy when it bites it will stop. I am not condoning hurting the dog but I have had problem pups in the past that wouldn't quit even after a loud correction. I would use my first finger and rap it right on top of their snout along with a loud "NO". Again, not enough to hurt just enough to startle it to stop it's focus on biting.
Giving it something else to chew on in the meantime might expedite the learning process. Best of luck and keep us posted on how it's going.

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Old 04-04-2017, 10:55 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Great advice from Joe as usual! I read earlier in the thread and know a trainer who uses the bitter apple. She was a proponent of spray the dog right in the mouth when it does want you don't want them to do. I don't know that I would go quite that far if it's not necessary but maybe spray it on your pants/sleeves so when Karma goes to grab it gets a taste of the yucky. I have used it to spray on things in the past to get a dog to leave whatever it was alone (shoes in my case) and had some success. It won't hurt the pup just leaves a yucky taste in their mouth. Might be worth a shot as a last resort.

Joe, I know I've rapped Nala on the nose once or twice just to get her attention. Clearly none of us would do anything to intentionally harm their dogs but sometimes with our stubborn bully's you have to do something that gets their attention!

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Old 04-04-2017, 11:08 PM   #39 (permalink)
 
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We got her when she was almost 9 weeks old but idk when her littermates left for sure. Weve been working on the biting and its getting better but wanted to make sure i was doing the right things

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Old 04-05-2017, 02:16 AM   #40 (permalink)
 
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Joe, I know I've rapped Nala on the nose once or twice just to get her attention. Clearly none of us would do anything to intentionally harm their dogs but sometimes with our stubborn bully's you have to do something that gets their attention!

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Jess, You said a mouthful there. There is a reason that it takes a special type of person to raise a bully dog. They are a hard headed, stubborn breed and their owners need to be more stubborn then they are. You know what I'm talking about.
I've never admitted this on this forum but many years ago I had a bully mix pup that wouldn't out grow it's nipping. It was all in play but you know how those baby needle teeth are. After weeks of trying to break this pup of nipping nothing was working. That dog was so mouthy. Hollering, firm raps on the snout, putting other toys in it's mouth, nothing was working. One day I was sitting on the floor playing with it and it started nipping at me. I grabbed the pup and I bit it right back right on the nape of it's neck. I didn't break skin but I bit it hard enough to make it yelp and then scolded it. I know now that it goes against all the "positive reinforcement training" but guess what, the dog NEVER nipped again. I don't mean it eventually quit. I mean never even once more. Had that girl for fifteen years. Still miss her. Again, not recommending this as a solution but my stubbornness prevailed. LOL. Not proud of it but true story.

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C'mon Joe we already know you're a grumpy old man anyway, not letting your dogs on the furniture and what not! Just kidding of course. I've never bitten a dog back but I did the exact same thing to my son when he was a child and in public no less! We were in Target and he was having a fit when I told him he couldn't get his toy because he wasn't behaving. He melted down and bit me in the arm so I bit him in the arm right back and walked out of the store with him screaming in the aisle about how I bit him. He came running out after me after he noticed I left and apologized and like your pup, he never bit me again.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I can see something like that happening with Nala and hubs at some point. He swears the other day, after scolding harshly for being naughty, that she looked at him, turned around with her nose up in the air and walked away waving her butt at him the whole time like the diva she is. I can totally see her doing that too. Hubs and Diesel got into one night and Diesel actually bit his calf and wouldn't let go (this was long before me). Hubs backed him into a corner and choked him out to get him to release but hubs won and his relationship with Diesel was golden from then on. The HUGE difference here is hubs is trained in creating and controlling aggression in dogs and knew how to handle the situation. I would NEVER EVER EVER recommend anyone else keep a dog that bit them or bit anyone but you would have had to have known D. He was the most gentle, docile dog I have ever met, hubs just pushed him too far and hubs knew it (as the story goes anyway).

Yes I agree with positive reinforcement training and wouldn't recommend any other way, but true behaviorism, as explained by Skinner, the father of behaviorism, also has other facets to it including punishment and negative reinforcement (reinforcing behavior through taking away a negative stimulus after a desired behavior versus the positive reinforcement of rewarding with a positive after a wanted behavior). Sometimes we have to get creative with these dogs and stand our ground and get the point across. Sometimes a little punishment is warranted. Now I hope everyone knows I certainly would NEVER condone anyone beating their dog but sometimes a rap on the snout, or a small shove off the sofa, a stiff swat of the behind, a grab of the scruff, or even a bite in the nape are what's needed before they get it through their stubborn beloved heads that they are not the ones in charge and that their behavior is inappropriate.

I think the difference here in this forum, is that many of us know the bull breeds, basic dog behavior, training methods and where that line is between punishment and inappropriate discipline. I would never have this conversation with a novice who didn't know their stuff. Us regulars and you mods all 'know' each other and know we would never do anything to harm our dogs. So we can share our spirited stories about our spirited dogs and trust that we're not abusing them in any way just trying to find that one way we need to finally get through their thick skulls when their at their most stubborn.

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Jess, love the Target story with your son. We are birds of a feather so to speak. You are absolutely correct, I love all my past and current dogs and would never abuse them but sometimes "special" discipline is required as in Diesel's case with your husband. FWIW, I may not be grumpy but I definitely am old compared to most of the members here, LOL.
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Yeah my puppy (8 weeks) since I had her is mouthy nippy and its partially my fault, I attributed it to she was teething and just needed something to knaw on, so if was holding her and she chewed, it was alright..but it has gotten out of hand, I have tried a few of the above tactics, all of which work for the rime wont but she eventually will be back at it...afterteading this thread half way, I starter using the scruff and scold technique exclusively...the last couple hours..it works she stops for longer..butwhikei did it she acts wild and will bark at me, I dontesnther thinking she can talk back, it will not be accepted...when she barked at me I squirted her with water and she did not like that and it shut her up and she hasn't barked at me since..so I plan on getting a little squirt gun for those moments...and continuing with the scruff technique

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