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Old 06-23-2008, 05:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If you can't monitor the pup and you don't think he has to go out "for real" LOL, yes, you have to ignore it or they learn really fast to manipulate their owners.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:10 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Hi everyone!

im new here and I really enjoyed this thread! thanks patch-o-pits!! This was really useful info.

I do have a more specific question, unsure if i should have made a new thread? but I have a 6 month old male neutered pit and i have been trying to socialize him and its so incredibly hard!!

He loves people, he just gets extremely excited and he always jumps up on everyone at first meeting, and he is about 50 pound now and really tall when on his hind legs. when he jumps I just tell him 'down' and push him off he usually stops after doing it once or twice. SO there isnt a problem with people, he loves every human. but with dogs its a different story...

I have taken him to be groomed at petsmart about 3 times so far and everytime he barks like crazy! Even when i took him to be neutered he barked insanely the entire time he was there ( they told me). Also at petsmart hes barking the entire time he's there! I feel so bad for him, he doesnt stop at all, and i want him to get used to it but i feel sad that hes barking the entire time hes there..i dont understand what to do? ( the vet nurse said he stopped barking when she would go open his cage and pet him, so im guessing he just felt scared at the vet)

anyway, im sorry im digressing, but the real issue at hand is the socialization. I have taught him some commands such as sit, stay, and come ( but they arent foolproof yet, although i continue to practice and practice to hopefully achieve perfection one day). I walk him daily, and he sees dogs a lot, although he never has gotten close to one. Whenever he sees one his hair goes up on his back and he starts barking--somestimes even a whimper-scared-bark, which to me makes no sense at all!! since it seems like hes scared but then again seems like he wants to attack them bc sometime he runs towards them and sometimes he runs away. ( i swear ppl need to socialize their dogs more bc they always end up barking at my dog and then he starts)

so i am confused.. twice now while i was walking him on a leash there have been dogs that were not leashed come up and scare the heck out of my dog! one of my neighbors, whom i now know has a hatred for my pitty ( he always used to joke about 'hows ur killer dog ?' which were kind of humorous before this incident are just now incredibly rude. Basically he has an adult golden retriever and while i was just returning from a walk ( had to pass by his house but on the opposite side of the street bc his dog was not leashed), he asks if he wants my dog to meet his, and i politely say no bc my dog has not been socialized yet and doesnt seem to like other dogs yet, he walks on over anyways and his dog alongside ( no leash) and all of a sudden in a blink of an eye his dog runs up to mine and start barking, growling, etc, and i hear the same from my dog--it was incredibly scary, the stupid guy didnt even pull his dog off and some other neighbor had to run over and pull him off, thank god my dog had no serious bites but alot of scratches and he was SO SCARED. the guy even had the nerve to say 'hes a pitbull, what do you expect? !!!! i was soo livid! my dog was merely a 3 month old puppy and his an adult!! i havent talked to them since...

anyhow i only told that story in detail because im afraid it has mentally scarred my dog? is that a reason why he doesnt seem to like dogs now? I introduced him to my cousins dog ( who is significantly smaller- about 18 pounds- but he is a very nice dog a jack russel and bichon frise mix). My dog kept barking like crazy and trying to lunge at him and he did nothing but want to see my dog- it was quite funny an cute that he was so nice tho. ( we introduced them on non territorial ground at the park) I walked him away a few times so he would know that he needs to be good in order to meet this dog. tthen every time he would bark and bark weird-whimper like and his hair would go up. we did this a few times that evening and at about the 5th try he actually didnt bark but he was still hyper ( and when i say hyper i mean he is pulling so hard he is choking himself and he doesnt care! he has a training -gentle choke collar, and my brothers hands were very red after that experience) i had treats for him but when he was face to face with the dog he didnt care about the food ( which is crazy bc he is food driven!!) he almost threw up a few times bc he was pulling so hard) We kept them nose to nose and he smelled him and did not bite him thank GOd!! although the last time when he didnt bark he got on his hind legs ( from pulling so hard) and actually what looked like to me gave the other dog a hug?? like he wrapped his two arms around his chest? this was weird and looked like it was going to go bad so i pulled him off of him and away. and havent had them meet since...any ideas on how i should be doing this and how often they should meet?

someone sugggested me to use a muzzle..but im unsure how he will react to a muzzle and im unsure if it will aggravate him more? but i dont like risking the fact that he could bite the other dog... i had a confident attitude when this meeting happened bc i have heard they can pick up on ur vibe....please any ideas or suggestion would be helpful!!

also i looked into a petsmart training class..but i think my dog is too hyper to sit with 10 other hyper dogs!! i dont think it would be good! and i found another trainer who does it on her ranch( she had only 3 other dogs in her puppy class, and im afraid hes too small for an adult class), but i went to observe once and she seemed like she didnt like my dog too much. she had no experience with pitty's other than one other pitty that was one month younger than mine that she had just started to work with...my dog jumped on her and she looked absolutely disgusted.. =(

i am trying to find a trainer in my area and in my budget..but it seems like petsmart is the only option i really have...but i have heard so many bad things about them as well..

thank you all so much for reading my first yet lengthy post!
Hi and welcome to the forum!

Socialization and imprinting of pups starts when they are much younger which is now part of the problem with your baby being 6 months. This doesn't mean he won't be able to socialize with other dogs but it will be something you have to work a lot more with to see if he is just acting that way from being unsocialized or because he is developing dog aggression.
You have to remember not all dogs will like other dogs and want to play.

Off lead dogs running up on him certainly don't make for the best situation. Honestly I'd call AC on the people who have their dog off lead all the time. There are leash laws for good reason. Most dogs aren't going to be thrilled about a dog flying at them aggressively.

As for the jumping up and barking I would start more consistent obedience and some distraction training.

Personally I would look for someplace better to train than PetSmart where there is a trainer who is APBT savvy.

In the meantime teach a "watch me"/ "look" command to keep his focus on you when he starts the barking and a concentrate on a sit stay more to help with the jumping up. Make sure people do not pet him when he is jumping or he will think it is OK.

Post some picts of your pup!

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Hi and welcome to the forum!

Socialization and imprinting of pups starts when they are much younger which is now part of the problem with your baby being 6 months. This doesn't mean he won't be able to socialize with other dogs but it will be something you have to work a lot more with to see if he is just acting that way from being unsocialized or because he is developing dog aggression.
You have to remember not all dogs will like other dogs and want to play.

Off lead dogs running up on him certainly don't make for the best situation. Honestly I'd call AC on the people who have their dog off lead all the time. There are leash laws for good reason. Most dogs aren't going to be thrilled about a dog flying at them aggressively.

As for the jumping up and barking I would start more consistent obedience and some distraction training.

Personally I would look for someplace better to train than PetSmart where there is a trainer who is APBT savvy.

In the meantime teach a "watch me"/ "look" command to keep his focus on you when he starts the barking and a concentrate on a sit stay more to help with the jumping up. Make sure people do not pet him when he is jumping or he will think it is OK.

Post some picts of your pup!

See you around the forum!
Thank you Patch-O -Pits. I will definitely try and teach the 'look at me' one..any ideas how to go about this one? Perhaps how you did it? I want to make sure i am doing it right.

Also, I got him when he was around 3 months from his parents...so he was with his brothers and sisters and parents until 3 months...which is good for socialization..right?? I waited so long for him to meet others because of waiting for all the shots to be done with..that seemed to take forever! And then i got him neutered ..that took forever for him to recover a well! so after everything was done he was about to turn 6 months already =/ I really wish i would have waited on neutering just so i could have had him socialized first..
But i cant do anything about that now, just do my best at this point and time...i hope its not too late.

Also, I was also thinking of the AC on those people, but I dont want them to hate me if i do... and thus in turn hate my pitty..

Also, I do have some pictures posted..are you not able to view them? I can when i log on, but Im unsure now if anyone else can?

thanks so much!
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great post but I have a question. we have a four month old pit pup along with a few others. she will be playing with the other dogs and if the other dog growls it's a fight. it can be over food, toys, or anything. what can I do to stop this now?

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great post but I have a question. we have a four month old pit pup along with a few others. she will be playing with the other dogs and if the other dog growls it's a fight. it can be over food, toys, or anything. what can I do to stop this now?

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Adding a pup to a multi-dog homes upsets the pecking order of the pack so you need to really stay on top of things especially if it is a dominant pup

Obedience training is helpful, but you have to learn body language and triggers that cause issues as well. Such as if there are problems at feeding times everyone needs to be fed in different areas, rooms or crates.
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Thumbs up Great Post!

I have owned pits before, but Gratch is my first puppy. My other dog was wonderful but yeah, great post!
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how do you brake a dog from killing chickens? she only does it when nobody is looking or at night, so it makes it hard to correct her right then. and btw the chickens are caged.
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how do you brake a dog from killing chickens? she only does it when nobody is looking or at night, so it makes it hard to correct her right then. and btw the chickens are caged.
The dog should not have access to where the chickens are being kept... period. Then there can be no issue.

Prey drive is a normal part of many dogs.
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my puppy is nine months old i got him from the shelter at about 7 months he is excellent with kids, he plays with my kitten who is 5 months old (the kitten will swat him and he pokes the kitten they are good together, although sometimes he chases the kitten), he's great with other dogs he just sniffs them and wants to play two dogs have already acted aggressively towards him and he doesn't think anything of it he thinks they are playing. When we go to the vet though he tries to go say hi to everyone, most people are scared of him because 1. he's a big dog and 2. he's a pit he whimpers and whines and pulls me towards them i tell him to sit and he's calm for about two seconds and goes crazy again, mind you he's 60 lbs pulling me to go say hi its hard to hold him sometimes is there any training method anyone knows of to get him to stop the whimpering and whining to go say hello?

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What kind of collar does he have on in this situation? A soft collar does nothing to discourage pulling like that. Corrections for that sort of thing on a soft collar have basically no effect. You have to correct him if you don't want him to pull. I would switch to the prong collar. When he starts pulling towards people, correct, then make him heel and sit. Shower praise on him when he does this and the people are able to come up and say hi without him jumping. The situation in which your describing allows for little proactive technique, so you'll have to go about it conventionally.

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thanks for the suggestion! I have been using a gentle lead and he hasn't really pulled using that in fact he is on his best behavior for the most part. I just want a solution that doesn't involve something that has to be used on his all the time, or that he has to wear all the time to instill "fear". I'd rather he listen to someone and stop the bad behavior
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A gentle leader is decent for going on walks, but its not something you want on all the time. When they get focused on pulling towards something their honing in on, a gentle leader is useless. If you can systematically use leash corrections in conjunction with a collar that reinforces what their doing is a nono in their head, you will be on top of this in no time. This isn't something you will have to do forever, but you gotta start now before its late in the game. A big thing here is getting him to sit before the person pays any attention to him. He will realize that if he's not calm, no one wants to say hi. He's old enough to use a prong collar on, I would try that out. Just be easy with it.
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