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Old 09-08-2011, 05:58 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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You can use it to pull their attention back onto you and keep them focused on you.

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If you have to pull at it at all it can cause damage and why you should not use them. Anything that puts pressure on the neck and spine can cause injury, they do not have to be pulling constantly for it to do damage. The whole point of a Halti is to make it uncomfortable for the dog to pull by pulling the head down or to the side, both can cause issues and why they are not needed. A dog who responds well to a Halti will just as easily respond to a flat collar or martingale collar and Hatlis are not needed.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:00 AM   #17 (permalink)
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It does not put pressure on the spine. The pressure is placed on the nose, IF you pull incorrectly you can harm them but that's from being inexperienced/ignorant of how to use them properly. And you should've use a lot of force either, very light pulling.
Like I said, shouldn't use it on a dog that is pulling in it.

A Gentle Leader may put pressure on the dog's neck/spine when you apply pressure because they're crappily made. But the Halti's pressure is one the nose. Which from there, requires an owner with an education of the do's and don'ts of Haltis.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:10 AM   #18 (permalink)
 
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It does not put pressure on the spine. The pressure is placed on the nose, IF you pull incorrectly you can harm them but that's from being inexperienced/ignorant of how to use them properly. And you should've use a lot of force either, very light pulling.
Like I said, shouldn't use it on a dog that is pulling in it.
The neck is connected to the spine and can cause injury, Any pressure it puts on the neck is bad for the dog. The whole principle of the Haltie is dangerous and it has many documented injured associated with the long term use. I will not even allow these in the building when I train they are useless in my opinion when there are so many other great collars to use that do not cause neck or spine issues. This is the same for the no pull harnesses.

Edited to add: the Haltie still pulls the nose of the dog down, nose connected to the neck, connected to the spine.....

I know you like using them and that is fine you use what works for you, I just want to make sure people know the options of training collars and what these can do to the neck and spine of a dog. People can then make a decision on the facts they read. I don't want to argue about training tools people use what works for them and in my experience I do not like them for the reasons I explained.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Lol oops, Typo on my part. It should say:
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And you shouldn't use a lot of force either, very light pulling.
When I use any force with the Halti it's pinky pressure. Otherwise no pressure, if she started putting more pressure on, pulling, etc I'd take it off. And I don't know any tool that should be used long term... Alice is just reached the point where we no longer need to use it in controlled environments.
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Well I don't know many dogs who need only pinkie pressure to keep them from pulling, maybe you can be the next Cesar Milan with your own TV show. I would like to see a dog like Barca walk with pinkie pressure.

I love that a 14 year old has so much experience to say.
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It only does damage to the neck if you use it improperly. It's also helpful in the training of Dog reactive/aggressive dogs.
I think you have a bright future but you have to remember you have a lot to learn and making statements like you know they do not cause damage or they do not pull on necks, is not true and shows you lack of experience. There are better tools one can use without having to worry about an injury or a dog pulling you down.
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I would never use one of these on a DA dog.. you run a high risk at causing some serious damage especially if we are talking about using one with this breed.

Personally i would recommend exploring prong collars, could be an option and used properly safer than this or a slip chain (choker) and more effective.. At least i have found.

Maybe i am bias though since i use prongs as a foundation of training on just about any working dog or one with high drive.

Though are we talking puppy or adult? If we are talking really young than i would just get a good quality 1.5'' - 2'' flat collar and let it be that for a while.. I don't really believe in using any training tool (like training collars) on a dog under 10 - 11 months... Even then its limited..
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I use flat collars as long as I can then move to the one I posted in this thread. I like prongs but they are not for very dog, especially softer dogs.
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I use flat collars as long as I can then move to the one I posted in this thread. I like prongs but they are not for very dog, especially softer dogs.
Oh yeah make no mistake if you have a soft dog or a very sensitive dog you will break your dog and cause more damage than good with productivity. With softer dogs generally with enough work and consistency you can get them trained with the basics without a use of anything other than your typical flat collar and lead.

When it comes to training i would personally suggest a short lead/leash.. Offers more control to the handler and that is what everyone needs.. Firm, steady, consistent control.

For regular leashes short walks i use 4ft

If going out to places i know will prove to be heavy in distractions or traffic i use 1ft and 2ft.. Of course my situation is a little different in public so if your not comfortable with this length 4ft would be fine.. especially if you walk into the leash vs holding.. Meaning end of leash is on the opposite hand and side your dog is on.."walking into it"

The longer you allow a dog to venture away the less control you have in any given situation.. This is important to realize if we are talking about HA or DA dogs.. Even well trained dogs you lose a bit of that ability when your dog is 20 ft out vs 5ft out for instance.. Of course if we are talking low drive pet dogs you may not have to worry about your own but you never know what could happen with another..

Sorry..I think i wondered off topic.. Anyway...
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I said I would not use one on a dog that pulls, I don't know how that would be relevant as I said I wouldn't use it on a dog that was like that. I teach my dogs to respond to my verbal commands, so I add the pinky pressure and a vocalization.

I'd use a head collar in a CONTROLLED environment with a DA dog, so I can start below threshold, which means the dog would be comfortable and not lunging then slowly decrease distance when the dog is comfortable. If they become anxious, I increase distance.


And I would never correct a DA dog, so no I wouldn't dream of using a prong on a DA dog. The idea is to make a more positive association with other dogs, if they're corrected every time they see another dog they'll begin to associate that.

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2) When you inflict pain on a dog that is focused on a stimulus eg. another dog, you are creating an association between pain and the object that your dog already feels anxious about. The dog sees another dog and feels the prongs slam into her throat. dog=pain. pain=fight or flight. I hope you can see how this is not desirable.
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^ I disagree with virtually all of this.. Prongs do not "slam against" a dogs throat nor do they inflict pain. They pinch (prong collars also called pinch collars) when used correctly to divert attention back to the handler. I have been using prongs for about 10 years now and not once encountered a dog that caused a negative reaction, fixed behavior, injury, etc.

I do agree that you never want to "drag" your dog with a prong as this can cause the prongs to dig into the throat or choke your dog however if fitted and used in a positive and proper way, you will not need to drag your dog away from a situation.. Common sense can also go a long way meaning if you have a high drive DA dog, avoid dog encounters and/or leave those experiences to a minimum.

Socializing a dog properly at a young age through young adult will create and reinforce a sturdy and sound dog when in all situations..new or old. Using a prong for ______ training on a sturdy, "hard" dog is not counter productive nor is it creating an underlying problem. Like i said i've never experienced it.

Use it on a softer dog your breaking down the dog even in the most ease of situations..
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We used the Halti on loki and its really the same as the simple leader , both can cause injury they work exactly the same way. Ihavent beenable to use pinky pressure onhim although he didnt pull as bad if he wanted something bad enough he would still pull , I wont use on on my dogs ever again after learning the dangers.
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lol you said what I wanted to but in a very nice way I should have you edit my posts!
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