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Old 06-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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@Vilebeast I use whitemeat cooked chicken breast if I have a piece in my hand he'll follow me anywhere without leaving my side This is how Zero and I got his recall down solid. I never thought of solely using it to keep him from turning me into a kite. We will be giving this a try with out the prong collar as I to am not a huge fan of them people are generally judgmental of him due to him being abpt I have noticed since using this collar on him its only made it worse people part like the red sea when they see him coming not something I want just the opposite actually hes a great boy who should be loved by everyone and hated only by the ignorant closed minded who think he and all other pits are born killers(yes I have been told more then once by more then one person that my dog is nothing but a born killer some have even gone as fare as to say I'm a bad parent for having him around my 4 small kids little do they know my kids are his babies on 2 legs). But yeah I'll be giving this a try for sure!

@JerseyPeach I think this may also work with Zero if the treats wont. I guess it will be a trail and error training session with him until he and I find the perfect fit for him

Again thank you everyone!
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If you have ANY damage done by using a prong collar it is not properly fitted.. It should be firmly resting on the fur/skin of a dog on the top of the neck.. When sitting in a rest position, the prong collar should NOT be able to slide around or be easily adjusted as this will give too much slack and during a correction, the collar will not pinch as it is supposed to but rather dig..

Also, those prong "Caps" that are sold that you use actually cause more friction than help.. I've seen countless times where the caps have wiggled lose and sat at a funny angle thus creating discomfort and pain rather than a quick snap back to focus..

Prongs are the BEST training collars out there for HARD dogs that respond well to "HARD" training.. Soft dogs all you will do is break the dog down to eventually your left with a nervous wreck that has to be built up slowly again..

If used properly prongs offer a natural method (mental correction for dog) that works virtually instantly.. The latter of this method is on you to begin to use that focus on instilling commands to where eventually, you don't HAVE to use the prong collar any longer.

The two most common mistakes with prongs are 1. Lose fit like a regular collar and 2. The handler delivering TOO harsh of correction.. Corrections are short, firm and to the point.. Not one hell of a tug back wards or to the side.. They are short "pops" of the leash that allow the prongs to pinch the neck breaking the focus point to nothing in time for you the handler to re-divert that attention back on you to give command to heel, sit, focus,etc...

If you allowed directly or indirectly your dog to pull on a prong, the effect is obvious that you not only were not using it correctly but you were allowing his pulling to continue while using such a correctional tool thus putting your dog in danger of getting hurt.. WHich happened..

I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, not MANY know how to properly use choke chains, prong collars, muzzles, etc.. The device works only as good as the person in control knows how to operate..
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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I love prong collars.

When used properly, they work wonders. It's power steering.

I only use the prong on Molly.
Annie and Ace both walk wonderfully with choke chains.

Head harnesses work wonders also! I use the head harness while jogging/running.

Regardless, you have to train them to whatever you choose to use.

Wish the best for you. Good luck!
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:43 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I agree when used properly they are great, I just perfer a different method, most of which i got from grandfather he raised some solid hunting dogs.

and again i find myself thinking KM you are full of solid advice when people are willing to learn.
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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On both of my dogs a gentle leader works great...made so that it pulls their head to the side when they pull....stops them from pulling me everytime..
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
 

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Hi everyone!

I'm hoping someone can give me some new ideas to get Zero to stop pulling so badly...I have been using a prong collar on him(I put the plastic caps on the ends)however I hate the damn thing I'm worried its going to hurt him(sometimes when he see something really interesting he lays right into causing him to hack)..Our last few walks I haven't been using it but he pull so badly its impossible for either one of us to enjoy our daily walks.

I could really use some advise and/or tips to help me get him to stop pulling me down the road.
So when I took my first dog to training, the trainer didn't allow us to use those type of collars.

Basically what he said to do is: when you dog begins to pull, you basically turn around and walk the opposite direction for like 2 or 3 steps, then turn back around to the original direction and have them walk next to you. And you're suppose to do that every time they pull until the stop pulling basically.

This worked for my first dog, I hope it works for you!!
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I have some kind of no pull harness that has worked wonders, if he pulls he falls on his face, seems to take out the front legs, he did it twice...perfect walker now...
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But I would try the no pull harness. This harness buckles in the front (chest area) instead of the back. It has worked wonders for my dogs. Although if they get overly excited there is still a bit of pulling. The no pull is great though because it doesn't cause the dog to choke or cough at all and it is far sturdier. When I started using it I have my dog very little lack in the leash. When she became comfortable with it, I gave her some more. Now, the pulling has diminished and she stays relatively close to me with plenty of slack in the leash.
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I use the gentle leader which is a head collar. Jaws has been quite the puller since about 2 months. I finally got tired of the pulling with no luck in collar training. So I got the gentle leader. And let me tell you it works wonders! He doesn't pull since the head collar targets two pressure points, so when they pull, they feel pressure. Sure they hate it being on their head at first but they get used to it. It's also a great way to control a puppies head, since pups pretend to be vacuums and suck up everything in site. The gentle leader also comes with an instructional video that was helpful, but annoyingly repetitive. I plan on continuing to work with Jaws on the gentle leader before I try to go back to basic collar training, or even a harness. I just fear he might outgrow harness's so I'll stick with collars if I can. But try what ever tactic you feel will work best for your dog, it's all about trying until you find the right method.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:21 AM   #25 (permalink)
 

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My dog Silas was having the same issue.. We tried pretty much everything. We had a dog behavioral specialist come in home and she showed us a "Halti Harness". I was very apprehensive when purchasing one but it worked like night and day. He doesn't pull anywhere near as bad as he did. Pretty much the harness puts the point of his motion to where you have complete control and he does not.

You can purchase a "Halti Harness" at any Petco or pet store.. See link to purchase online though..

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I've used the Sporn anti-pull harness on all of my dogs. I had a 130lbs Rottweiler on it and now my 40lbs dog. My friend thought all harnesses were the same until I let her use my "anti-pull" harness on her dog. It worked instantly. Her dog still pulls from time to time but not as much. I also use martingale collars and they work great.

As you can see in the photo, they're not like typical harnesses you see for sale. The chest area is elastic embedded in the mesh for strength and it pulls the dog back when the leash is pulled back when the dog is pulling you.


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NO pull Halti's and harness do not teach a dog not to pull and are really dangerous for aggressive pullers. They pull the head, neck, and shoulders out of alignment and can cause damage for long term use. I have seen dogs get hurt after only a few times. Talk to most chiropractic vets and they will tell you the damages they can cause. A prong, soft, martingayle, or other training aids are a much better option. It is better to teach a dog not to pull and then be able to have them on any type of collar. I will not allow anyone to use no pull harnesses or halti's in my classes for that reason.
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Off the subject but did you get the name "Zero" from The Nightmare Before Christmas?


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