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Old 06-20-2013, 05:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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George is get'n shock collar

He's a good dog, but he's starting to realizing how much freedom he has. He wants to explorer the woods, field, and he was chase'n a snake out by his pool my wife put him outside. I can't have all that.

So have any of ya'll used a shock collar? Did it work? Advice?
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish with an e collar? There is a lot to consider when choosing this method of correction....and I emphasize the word correction, it's not very effective for much else.
I've never used one on an apbt but I use one for bob the bandog. I highly recommend you get help from a trainer who knows all about e collars and pit bull dogs. You can easily screw him up by administering pain while the dog is confused
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If it were me, I'd use a long lead to help teach my dog's the boundaries of their yard. If it isn't fenced in he should never be out there unsupervised.

I just feel like shock collars on young pups are unnecessary
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E collars can cause the dog to redirect their aggression when not used properly. I agree with the above get a tie out or put up a fence or a kennel if its something you're concerned about. I'm all for all tools for training but I think people should take steps and not just jump on an ecollar before other things are attempted. Get a good trainer that utilizes a tools and go from there.


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Hey Redog, I'm trying to get him to pay attention and follow the commands he knows in my time not his. I understand he's a pup, but we can't have him get'n around to us when he feels like it.
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Exactly! You say come and he better come. If he doesn't he doesn't have any business being off leash to begin with you hear what I'm saying? If your not fenced in keep him on a lead.

Get a clicker. That's how I trained my boy. I expect my boy to look at me when I call his name. If I am in the other room and call him,he is to come find me. When I say come I mean come. When I say sit he must sit. You can NOT repeat commands over and over an over. Then they do it on their time not yours.

To start. Indoors. Don't expect your dog to listen outside if he isn't doing it perfect inside without distractions.

Click and reward (cheese, liver, hot dogs something high value and what he wants, a tug toy something he loves best)
Click, reward
Click, reward
For like 10 minutes

Then call his name when he looks you in the eye you click and reward.
Wait for him to look away call his name, click, reward

After he gets it add other things. Sit, then click reward. Down click reward. Do this a few times a day. Then Do this while you are walking your pup on a leash. Call his name if he doesn't respond and look at you instantly in the eye pop the leash DO NOT REPEAT HIS NAME the goal is to train him to look at you and get good stuff. If the pop doesn't work make a you turn. Get his attention back to the walk and away from what he was looking at the made him not instantly look at you.

There are many ways to train take a look at some past threads and see many ideas. But do jot let your dog off leash without a fence. Even with great recall its still not a good idea.


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That's the thing, there is no yard, there is woods, pasture and creekline a lot of it. We're country folk. This dog will weigh as much as my wife in 4/5 months. He knows what he's being told he just chooses not to do it. He's a male pit, he's gonna do what a pitbull gonna do... a little jolt, steer him in the right direction. Right?

His collar will be in Friday. It has a tone, vibrate and adjustable shock. I hope the tone and the vibrate freak him out right now and correct his little attitude he's get'n. But I ain't messed up about giving him a shot of juice either.

A trainer or a fence is not a option we just poor country folks. Big dogs in the back yard.

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Exactly! You say come and he better come. If he doesn't he doesn't have any business being off leash to begin with you hear what I'm saying? If your not fenced in keep him on a lead.

Get a clicker. That's how I trained my boy. I expect my boy to look at me when I call his name. If I am in the other room and call him,he is to come find me. When I say come I mean come. When I say sit he must sit. You can NOT repeat commands over and over an over. Then they do it on their time not yours.

To start. Indoors. Don't expect your dog to listen outside if he isn't doing it perfect inside without distractions.

Click and reward (cheese, liver, hot dogs something high value and what he wants, a tug toy something he loves best)
Click, reward
Click, reward
For like 10 minutes

Then call his name when he looks you in the eye you click and reward.
Wait for him to look away call his name, click, reward

After he gets it add other things. Sit, then click reward. Down click reward. Do this a few times a day. Then Do this while you are walking your pup on a leash. Call his name if he doesn't respond and look at you instantly in the eye pop the leash DO NOT REPEAT HIS NAME the goal is to train him to look at you and get good stuff. If the pop doesn't work make a you turn. Get his attention back to the walk and away from what he was looking at the made him not instantly look at you.

There are many ways to train take a look at some past threads and see many ideas. But do jot let your dog off leash without a fence. Even with great recall its still not a good idea.


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That's good stuff there. We will use that Thanks Ames!
Inside is not too much a problem. But he's not to the level you are talking about at all. Tracking on the foundations.
It's all when he goes out to handle his business or when he's out with the wife while she is piddling in her flower beds.

He's got a pen outside but he don't want to go in that thing, with all that outside he can't get to. He's miserable. He came inside after handle'n his biz outside looked my wife straight in her face and crap'd right in front of the gun safe.
Then the wife got some on her hand and went to gag'n. We feed him some kinda hi protein food so his craps smell pretty bad. 2 hrs. in the pen and you can't make him crap in the house now. He scratches on the door when he wants out, and would probably claw his way out .

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I guess I don't get why you can afford a ecollar (most nice ones are over $100 easy) but not a $25 50 foot lead? Why risk it? The shock isn't that hard if the dog has drive and doesn't wan to listen he is Gonna go, why not put a leash on him while your walking? Why must he be loose?


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I am 850 miles from home and will be for a few more weeks.
My wife has a syn. disk in her back at L5/S1 and a morphine pump in her abdomen.
She can't be get'n all jerked around. And then there's the cat. He wants to play with the cat. But the cat don't get down like that, and lays around plot'n ways to kill him.

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What's outside is waaaay more interesting and distracting than what's inside; therefore you can't expect any commands you've trained reliably inside to work outside; you have to start all over again.

I've never used an e-collar but I do know you have to be very careful with punishment based training methods. You have to be extremely precise in the timing of the correction or you really can make matters worse and not better. To use the e-collar you're wife or whoever would have to have 100% focus on the dog in order to deliver the correction at just the exact moment.

If you live out in the woods it seems like you would have to have a way to clearly mark the boundaries you don't want the dog to cross...and give the dog some sort of "signal" - otherwise the correction will seem to come out of nowhere. (Like with invisible fences, I believe you initially set up some visible markers in training the dog, then the dog hears a tone that tells him he's approaching a "hot area" and only if he continues does he get a correction.

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you got probs cuz.cause your woman cant be the boss if she cant control him.and it sounds like she cant because of her prob..you are wastin yo $$$ on the collar...time and patients is the anser.the dog wants to plz yall he's jus gotta know what yall want of him.

and i'd cull hell outta the cat!......cat guts make good cat fish bait.
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I am 850 miles from home and will be for a few more weeks.
My wife has a syn. disk in her back at L5/S1 and a morphine pump in her abdomen.
She can't be get'n all jerked around. And then there's the cat. He wants to play with the cat. But the cat don't get down like that, and lays around plot'n ways to kill him.
all I am hearing are excuses. Why isn't your dog trained to not pull so your girl isn't jerked around? Seems like you are going for the "easy" way out and want to shock your dog instead of training it how to behave. I am all for training tools when they are used properly. Being lazy and not wanting to take time to train your dog is not using it properly.

MANY a dog hasrun through electric fences or ignore ecollars when something "good" is around. I just want you to understand a collar isn't a solution. Training your dog is. Or enter yet your girl does since she is the one home with the pup.

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That's the thing, there is no yard, there is woods, pasture and creekline a lot of it. We're country folk. This dog will weigh as much as my wife in 4/5 months. He knows what he's being told he just chooses not to do it. He's a male pit, he's gonna do what a pitbull gonna do... a little jolt, steer him in the right direction. Right?
Ok first off if the dog understood the commands and was properly trained on them he wouldn't be blowing them off, he either wasn't proofed correctly or doesn't understand what you are asking. He's young, don't expect perfection, set him up for success, have you even tried boundary training him? Throwing a shock collar on your pup and giving him the juice whenever he doesn't listen or does something you don't like is how you ruin a dog, it can easily create aggression or fear because dogs don't think like humans. He's not going to understand shock=stop at some invisible line or shock=don't poop in the house. Train your puppy properly or give him to someone that will.
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Train the dog and then let it have all the space. You have a young dog it is going to wonder.

I go out on a private trail to walk my dogs off lead so they can run. Took my Amstaff out the other day and he wanted to be a douche and go to far. He would stop when I called and acknowledge that I was talking to him , but not return lol. So before he goes out loose again we will go back to some basic training involving recall. You can't expect a dog to follow the rules without a base to go from.


I agree with postal, if the dog was properly trained it would not be blowing you off. Your not the first person to have a dog blow you off as I just mentioned above with my Staff. Work more on that training and don't give him privileges until he earns them. You don't listen, you don't get loose.

You can use a shock collar, but I am fairly certain you will create a dog afraid of being shocked and not really learning much. Shock collars are very specific use tools and can do more harm then good when not used just right.
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