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Old 04-04-2014, 03:55 AM   #46 (permalink)
 
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Good looking boy...has some of the same expressions my female has that I posted above and below.
Here is another, without the sunlight, and she looks darker too.
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Your dog is very lovely. I like the brindle a lot. Probably my favorite color/pattern in this breed.
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Zigari your dog is red just like G's... OFRN all colors should be avariant of RED.. CLUE.. RED NOSE.. with that means RED MUTATION and there are many. All still RED. Fancy wanna be color scheme names are just furmommy names. Stick to the colors by the ADBA, OFRN, BFKC .. you'll see why most dogmen do not use the term blue or chocolate. ADBA has adopted more variants but its still pretty short and sweet.

With the red nose if they're bred up proper you'll see black nails copper eyes and what appears to be black hair but is dark red as a dorsal stripe or smut over lay down to the tail.


Buckskin with a red smut over lay you can only see when hes in the sun... he's primarily dibo sub strains back together stacking dead dogs, dibo (an old family red dog)....
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:47 PM   #49 (permalink)
 

Jodie is an unknown quantity at this point
mine is also 30lbs at 15 weeks.. Thought that was kind of huge.
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Some dogs grow fast..depending on strain(or sub strain or outcross dominants) that guy there is just now 35lbs and he's 8mos, he'll top out bigger than expected upto 45lb. Usually rule of thumb is not done growin til 2. Even if they're full grown at6mos or 8mos their bone matter and density IS NOT.
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Just so everyone can know, here is the standard of the OFRN strain, as established by the OFRNR.

http://ofrnr.com/OFRNR_Registration_Information.html

Some key points are:
"Only colors accepted are red and silver red, with shades light to dark."

Only markings allowed are brindle (which must be red, not black) and no more than 25% white on the dog.
An all white head is not accepted, as it is not in the tradition of the strain.

"No black at all is allowed."
No black is allowed anywhere on the dog at all, neither the nails or the paws.

No widows peak dogs are allowed to register. They are not in the tradition of the OFRN strain.

"No dog is to exceed 75 pounds."

If people with OFRN dogs would memorize this, it is easy to spot the real from the fake.
Not a lot here to remember. Rather simple. Nothing confusing about it.
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Jodie is an unknown quantity at this point

This is his dads pedigree, if anyone recognises those dogs by chance
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Just so everyone can know, here is the standard of the OFRN strain, as established by the OFRNR.

http://ofrnr.com/OFRNR_Registration_Information.html

Some key points are:
"Only colors accepted are red and silver red, with shades light to dark."

Only markings allowed are brindle (which must be red, not black) and no more than 25% white on the dog.
An all white head is not accepted, as it is not in the tradition of the strain.

"No black at all is allowed."
No black is allowed anywhere on the dog at all, neither the nails or the paws.

No widows peak dogs are allowed to register. They are not in the tradition of the OFRN strain.

"No dog is to exceed 75 pounds."

If people with OFRN dogs would memorize this, it is easy to spot the real from the fake.
Not a lot here to remember. Rather simple. Nothing confusing about it.
funny i've already posted a dog of IM that has that smut over lay some of the folks here probably remember that.

Like I said, thats a private club more than a bloodline these days. The Old stuff is almost all but gone and Crossed out not in a manner where one could still say these are "my" family's dogs.. Now they are truly "his" dogs. Not taking anythign away in case thats how one may read this. Its Just not the same. I laugh at silver red as much as I do all the foo foo names that come up.. IF its silver red then its a form of SEAL because it has WHITE hairs that make the SILVER sheen or it has near BLACK hairs (dark red) promoting that sheen. SO you can call it what you want. Im a stick with ADBA and BFKC along with standard genetic primaries.

I believe people need to dial it down a notch.. If its Seal its red seal or black seal if its buckskin its red, yellow, tan or dirty as buckskin is just that it comes in an array of red tans and yellows. Silver reds will eventualy turn weimeraner gray. WHICH HAS WHITE. Its simple genetics. By implying silver you are implying white. Im pretty sure who ever made that rule doesnt know that believe that and will have to confirm it with someone with a biology degree. and still may not give a LOL





Keep it simple.. Red.............. and variants of on a true genetic perspective not that of the creative eye.
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Silver red has been around longer than the "foo foo" namers have been alive. Hemphill said it himself. You are the ONLY one trying to change history here, not me.

As far as I know, FH, all the stuff you say comes from, YOUR OWN HEAD AND MIND. Not authentic, no matter how you label it. True dogmen never went around trying to figure out what color the inside of a dogs ass looks like, just to argue and debate about it.. All of your strain, sub-strain, wolf-dog, evolution, biolutionary, geneticalosis, and other heresies thus far unknown to man....all that does is make a sh$%ty mess even messier, IMO. Screws newbies up even more. Why can;t people KISS? Keep It Simple Stupid?

All that BS talk of seal color is nonsense. Go ahead and stick with the traitors, who would sell their souls for a dollar. ADBA is NOT what it once was...the show crowd has put their foot down...and pockets getting fat is what it is all about, because those at the top figured out how dumb and gullible pet owners are.

BFKC? What a joke......

Old blood gone? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. When dogs get rare it doesn't mean there are no breedings. It means the breeder isn't a peddler, in it for the money.

Now you say an official judge who "made those rules" according to traditional standards doesn't know what they are talking about? Wow, what you been smoking in the mountains? Suddenly you know more than former dogmen? Yeah, okay.....
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hey woah... difference in opinions can be had. lets keep the jabs, even if they are friendly, to a minimum.

debate and discuss. :P
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hey woah... difference in opinions can be had. lets keep the jabs, even if they are friendly, to a minimum.

debate and discuss. :P
Well Odin, there is a difference between disagreeing, and then, on an open forum, where people already do not know their left from their right foot regarding these dogs come, there is discrediting an authentic registry devoted strictly to the Old Family Red Nose Strain (not a specific bloodline), which IS MORE THAN JUST A COLOR, as history can testify.

Here we have one (FH) discrediting the color of my dogs, based on his own PERSONAL opinion(which, by the way, is NOT authentic for anyone). There is not a black hair on an Old Family Red Nose dog, ever. The order of colors is rather simple, all based on RED. Light Red, Red, Silver Red, and Dark Red, any of which can have brindle and up to 25% white, excluding an all white head. Can't get any simpler than that.

Seal, smut, chocolate, brown, etc, are all amateur, generic, and peddler names of colors, which the ADBA gave into, because the ones in charge have no guts to stand against the majority, which is always wrong.

I didn't even point out the fact that Dibo was NOT an Old Family Red....they were extinct by the time Dibo was born. He was not even a red nose dog, just had some of the blood in him.

And I would really like to see a smut colored produced by IM. He has culled many dogs better than most on here will never have, so I highly doubt, if he had one, he would let it breath another breath. Unlike most breeders, "cull" is in his vocabulary, and not taboo. Most these days think it is a dirty name. "Poor puppy, it deserves to live! It is so cute!" People with that mentality are who ruined all the good blood over the years, by letting poor examples live and breed, and mass produce, and go into the hands of people who have no right to own these dogs....and the breeder he name dropped on, without cause, has produced more OFRN Champions than any other breeder in the history of the OFRN strain, and who in fact still has his OWN family of dogs from over 40 years ago (again, longer than many have lived), all from three dogs. Never outcrossed. Nobody can be googlized and then claim to know more.

And people should remember the words of JFK: “No matter how big the lie; repeat it often enough and the masses will regard it as the truth.”
Disinformation on these dogs should not be allowed, and be taken down.

I'm simply trying to stop a bunch of hogwash from being put into the minds of newbies. Whatever I say I base on history, or my personal opinion. I always say if it is my opinion or not, most of the time. I'll willingly disagree on personal opinions, as what works for one will not work for another, but I will not agree to disagree on common sense based on tradition and proven history. To do so is to condone the ignorance spread daily about the breed, by newbies that are so far from the truth they are basically walking blind, with no light in front of them.

I'll be glad to let IM know his name is being thrown out, and his dogs put into question. (And heaven help us if a newbie takes some of the posts on here as gospel!)

Ha, but I have to admit, I have never heard Private Club yet, lol. But, the fewer that own them, the better, IMO. Be a shame if these dogs went into the wrong hands.
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Lightner had the first SEAL dog........

You crack me up, I do follow KISS ... as psych major its very important for everyone to get it in CRAYON.

I also understand the genetic make up of a dog all the way to the wolf and understand the wolf like you older gents do these bulldogs. Yeh I mis a step or make a oversight here or there... obviously you've missed something or decided that you'd take a GENETIC point of view as a personal attack mixing it with my own personal opinion in which I was pretty sure there was a evident puncation to indicate seperation in thought.

Also....... you guys in your group have gotta quit takin everything as a personal insult and throwing out insults that tend to get personal. Obviously you missed the point. Again IF YOU SELL anything Your PEDDLING.

Just had some of the blood in him... LOL look at that dogs pedigree he's all old family top to bottom. Goemon in your own words a post back you also call Dibo Old family.. better go edit it. Also I said (hair that APPEARS to be black but is actually red) Also in other OFRN genetic discussion the topic of the 'Black' nails on the red nosed dog with copper eyes was the dog truest to old red nosed dogs was bragged on by you fellas.

Also...... you arent only old timers out there who rubbed shoulders with heinzl, Jp, or Lightner... I see you promote corvino corvino corvino yet you dis other dogs with as much corvino as many OFRN those inbred DIBO dogs.

Matter a fact if the people arent worshiping the ground and words yall speak; out come insults and bashing.. think not ?? FOLLOW EVERY convo that ya'll have ever been banned because of. Ya'll get pissed off and throw bricks instead of good sense. Also many times ya'll are wrong or have double talked yourselves and unlike myself.... refuse to acknowledge the mistake made in dialogue, when yall make em.



Genetically those colors are Red mutations which red is a mutation of black.. If red reflects silver there are white hairs in there. Much like a dog that looks blue but is actually black white and red hair all mixed all over. It may very well be my OWN POV that the colors should be KISS and kept simple to the genetic color wheel. To me that is KISS.

To start argument over silver red is moot... genetically there is no silver red. There is Red Seal. Seal was before silver red. Im pretty sure Lightners dogs preceeded. Seal can be red reflecting silver, black reflecting silver or black reflecting both red and silver. All mutations of each other. Which is actually Red with white mutation, or black with a mutation or without. .. NOW.. I never took anything away from anyone, matter fact I gave props. To take something to nitpic about is also moot. Like I said G'... Theres a post on a OFRN discussion where you say DIBO is Old Family.. not OFRN. So your arguing with yourself.
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Well Odin, there is a difference between disagreeing, and then, on an open forum, where people already do not know their left from their right foot regarding these dogs come, there is discrediting an authentic registry devoted strictly to the Old Family Red Nose Strain (not a specific bloodline), which IS MORE THAN JUST A COLOR, as history can testify.

Here we have one (FH) discrediting the color of my dogs, based on his own PERSONAL opinion(which, by the way, is NOT authentic for anyone). There is not a black hair on an Old Family Red Nose dog, ever. The order of colors is rather simple, all based on RED. Light Red, Red, Silver Red, and Dark Red, any of which can have brindle and up to 25% white, excluding an all white head. Can't get any simpler than that.

Seal, smut, chocolate, brown, etc, are all amateur, generic, and peddler names of colors, which the ADBA gave into, because the ones in charge have no guts to stand against the majority, which is always wrong.
So let me cut down on the words and get to the point. u think FH is discrediting u and the OFRNR by explaining the genetic makeup of colors?

but u can say that the ADBA colors dont count? maybe im being too literal. but i dont see where the reason for the feather ruffling is comin from.

(and i am not trying to step on toes. i know u love ur OFRN. and it is more than a color.)
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So let me cut down on the words and get to the point. u think FH is discrediting u and the OFRNR by explaining the genetic makeup of colors?

but u can say that the ADBA colors dont count? maybe im being too literal. but i dont see where the reason for the feather ruffling is comin from.

(and i am not trying to step on toes. i know u love ur OFRN. and it is more than a color.)
I think there were a couple underlying jabs at the OFRNR, and/or IM. Is the OFRNR wrong on the subject of the very strain they are preserving? Personally, I put more stock into the OFRNR, and the leading OFRN authority(IM), than ADBA when anything comes up concerning the "red" dogs we are passionate about. The ADBA has taken the low road as Goemon has stated, and that's unfortunate.
The "private club" and following comments could be taken the wrong way....maybe it's because some of us have a personal involvement in the situation. It's alright though. Colby fans are no less reactive when their dogs are discussed. It's always heated. Nothing wrong with that.

Everyone back to their corners LOL!
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but u can say that the ADBA colors dont count? maybe im being too literal. but i dont see where the reason for the feather ruffling is comin from.

(and i am not trying to step on toes. i know u love ur OFRN. and it is more than a color.)
My only concern is the OFRN. What I say about the ADBA is that it is not the same registry that it once was. Which is true.

Here is an old article to the Gazette from years ago. http://www.ironlinekennels.com/Page_...l/IMAG0007.JPG

Also, the OFRNR is the TOP authority of the OFRN strain. No other registry is devoted to this exclusive strain of ApBT. So newbies don't need to hear opinions that lead them away from the truth. The ADBA is not the place to go to learn about this strain.

What I am saying is the ADBA colors related to the OFRN dogs are wrong and out of step with tradition.
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