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Old 04-08-2014, 06:17 PM   #76 (permalink)
 
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Smh...you obviously have NO life... it's just a shorter, quicker to type name for me...besides I'm more into behavior, training, and psychological aspect of the APBT, the petty arguments that you're involved in about color, name terms, registry doesn't really intrigue me.
Ok kid. Whatever you say.....I have quite the life. Dogs are a only a small portion.

You have no interest in these things because you have a selfish, personal interest in the dogs.....and don;t care about the breed as a whole.

People like you who "don't care" are the major reason we have the problems we have today.

Grow up please. If you don't care for the subject, stay out of it.
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But anyone familiar with the dogs knows that the Red Devil dogs were the only ones that could "go" against the Eli dogs, who were powerful barnstormers, consistently. Few others could get past the first 30 minutes. And FB and IM are close friends, so if what you said were true, FB is not a "real" dogman. That is just an example to prove the point. Which is, opinions vary, depending on the circle one is in. And you are aware of the R.O.M. dog that had the fewest breedings in history, correct? Who was it? Norrod's CH Iron Spike. Highest percentage of Champions, bred to fewest females. Six.
A little off topic, but are you saying boudreaux had the best [] dogs back in the day? I know this is probably a very opinionated topic. But, I've always wondered who had the best fighters. I've watched documentaries and researched some but I wish someone could provide me a credible link summing it all up. I hate dog fighting these days but I respect all the real dogmen in history. The ones who didn't use. " bait dogs". The ones who actually took better care of their real game dogs than even the animal worshipers with humanized pets of today, the ones who stopped a match when one dog was clearly defeated but not dead. I find the history of these dogs incredibly interesting, just wish I could find a raw source to educate myself better.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:26 PM   #78 (permalink)
 
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Get rid of rescues and hold people accountable for the mutts they breed. Ban back yard breeding of unregistered dogs. Fix them or they die.
Yes! This^. Look, I love my mutt. But this world would be a better place for dogs if this were to happen. Too many over run shelters, dogs running the streets emaciated and hopeless. This goes for all breeds too.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:35 PM   #79 (permalink)
 
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Personal issues ?? Come ON! again. Re read the post and don't take me out of context. Its very clear who has personal issues. Look at the personal attacks in every thread where (a group of you OFRNR folks) sing the same song get just as ungly and shotty when people don't drink your drink. I normally and very humble about it chop it up to how ya'll roll. Yes there is a group of you who all sing the same song and get band for taking things outta hand. Seen it time an again. Not taking anything from you, IM or your dogs. Just tellin you flat out how you like to tell folks. Ignore most of the props given if we don't agree with every word. Yes... it is a pattern. Thanks Surfer for clearing him up on the BFKC and as far as the ADBA, they do have some color schemes I dont agree with and have made that clear on other convos about color and the adba.


I didnt say black nails.. I said appear black...... you can't have black hair or black nails if the nose is red. GENETICALLY you can have the darkest form of red which the nails will appear black unless in the light.

I agree with your point the only thing we're arguing over really is "Silver Red" being a foo foo name. MAN COME ON! THE APBT IS AMERICAS first FOO FOO PET. you know that. I wasn't making a person poke when I said that, it was just generalization. Just for clarity.
We have debated on this and as I said, I am not digging into the past for fruitless debate. This aspect I did agree to disagree upon. What's matters today are the dogs of today.

I misread? I took it as you discrediting the OFRNR, which will make some newbies think it is not legit. You said it yourself, you know the ADBA is not what it once was and that they have hurt the breed in recent years in registering the oversized mutts as ApBT's. Was I mistaken?

This registry will not change according to what the masses think. It is in sticking with tradition and holding the dogs to traditional standards. This is, IMO, a case of the Old School against the New School. Why invent a new language when the majority don't even know the original?
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:40 PM   #80 (permalink)
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debate, discuss and continue on.... but i've said it once and i have had to go back and clean up stuf, but leave the personal attacks out of ur replies!!! u can have an intelligent debate without the insults.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:51 PM   #81 (permalink)
 
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A little off topic, but are you saying boudreaux had the best [] dogs back in the day? I know this is probably a very opinionated topic. But, I've always wondered who had the best fighters. I've watched documentaries and researched some but I wish someone could provide me a credible link summing it all up. I hate dog fighting these days but I respect all the real dogmen in history. The ones who didn't use. " bait dogs". The ones who actually took better care of their real game dogs than even the animal worshipers with humanized pets of today, the ones who stopped a match when one dog was clearly defeated but not dead. I find the history of these dogs incredibly interesting, just wish I could find a raw source to educate myself better.
IMO nobody can say they had the "best." But both of those bloodlines were "as good as the best."
But that is the word I have heard from old timers. Not found in books.
Most documentaries are garbage too. Best books were before the 80's. Old magazines too. Hard to find some, and expensive, not worth the price, unless you have a lot of cash.
And yeah, "fights to the death" were never the purpose. Not all game dogs were winners, but they had the gameness needed. Still good for breeding.
Can't do anything with a dead dog.

I agree, the wanna bes of today are scum, abusers and trash.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:53 PM   #82 (permalink)
 

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you probably go around saying that dog in your avatar is an apbt too.
The dog in mine is a 'catahoula mix' according to broward county and my vet!

Not sure how I pulled that off, the shelter has everything else that has a similar look labeled as 'amstaff', including the other 2 of Camo's litter mates that were turned into them. But I get to avoid registering with my city because I don't own what they consider a 'dangerous breed' since the county called him a catahoula
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The dog in mine is a 'catahoula mix' according to broward county and my vet!

Not sure how I pulled that off, the shelter has everything else that has a similar look labeled as 'amstaff', including the other 2 of Camo's litter mates that were turned into them. But I get to avoid registering with my city because I don't own what they consider a 'dangerous breed' since the county called him a catahoula
Hey I watched an episode of Cops the other night featuring broward county lol. They got some crazies in that town dicky
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:12 PM   #84 (permalink)
 

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Hey I watched an episode of Cops the other night featuring broward county lol. They got some crazies in that town dicky
In certain areas for sure! Funny thing about this county is adjacent to 'the hood' there are multimillion dollar homes, only seperated by a 4 lane road....

Then there is my area which is a quiet middle class neighborhood with A rated schools, where 3 blocks east of me on the other side of a 4 lane road is an area I won't go to in daylight...

All of south Florida is that way. Rich neighborhood >> the hood >> middle class >> the hood >> rinse and repeat.
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See "Goeman".. despite the lil disagreements I can respect where you come from. Agree with a good point itd be stupid to argue with the truth. ..

Let me clear it up... In all of any OFRN post I have not directed slander or miscontent to nor do I feel that they are a discredit to the APBT. Quite the opposite.. Preservationists... Specialist. In a league of their own. IMO a private club that you have to be honored into. I have not had the day or time to kill to give IM a call, I know hes busy but one day ... I did put some work to find out what stock he had before I invested in Hammonds. I really wanted that Danger solid hemphill stuff.. Not interested in any others. Because ..too... Im preservationist.

That doesnt mean I agree with every detail of every piece of work. When talking color... I insult as many as I do when I tell people their dog is off the couch. Even with me loving the hell outta their dog and the dog enjoy the puppy treatment ...owners still get pissed. What do you mean off the couch, start given excuses for having a fat dog and insulting my skinny dogs. So I do apologize for that, I just come accross that way, even when Im humble happy and not thinking anything of the sort. ...

Like everyone .. everyone makes some mistakes ... I believe itd be much more humble to mention some of the breedings that let you down or dogs that let you down. See when you have a small select few who can tell you the truth on the dogs ONLY the truth matters. Not his truth their truth or your truth.. THE TRUTH. On this you and I agree and in the manner of the degredation of the breed as well and how and why it came about. YOU Have PASSION! thats a good thing and I can't but give you more kudos for it.



Your right ... I may have cause some confusion or misdirection. Hell in my mind it was KISS the whole way. I re read it from a different point of view.. quite pretentious. NOT the way I was thinking.

STILL... IMO that was simple ... but I can see how I sounded simple as well.
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...and to think that this whole discussion started over "color" LOL. These dogs are our pride an joy, whether OFRN or other....so some toes are bound to stepped on. "Us" OFRNers probably get our backs up quicker due to the misinformation circulating in today's generation....not to mention the out right haters of the strain and those preserving it, for whatever reason. With that in mind, and the fact that it is easier to push a key on a keyboard than to push a man in person, it is easy to see why topics get personal. It's comical though at times when two sides, who obviously care deeply for this breed, lock horns in debate......but that is the passion pouring out......and that passion is what gives me hope that the APBT will survive. WE ALL GIVE A DAMN...a very good sign!
Now, let's all just admit that the OFRN is the best.....and there will finally be peace in the kingdom LOL!!!!!!!!
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...and to think that this whole discussion started over "color" LOL. These dogs are our pride an joy, whether OFRN or other....so some toes are bound to stepped on. "Us" OFRNers probably get our backs up quicker due to the misinformation circulating in today's generation....not to mention the out right haters of the strain and those preserving it, for whatever reason. With that in mind, and the fact that it is easier to push a key on a keyboard than to push a man in person, it is easy to see why topics get personal. It's comical though at times when two sides, who obviously care deeply for this breed, lock horns in debate......but that is the passion pouring out......and that passion is what gives me hope that the APBT will survive. WE ALL GIVE A DAMN...a very good sign!
Now, let's all just admit that the OFRN is the best.....and there will finally be peace in the kingdom LOL!!!!!!!!
LMAO Saint!!! bulldog people tend to be just like their bulldogs. stubborn and relentless :P and yes, fur flies when the passion comes out.
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g-man, if you think fb is a real dogman, then you just showed me how far you have to go,

i remember when he was just gettin started, and he did have some good ones, but,

he curred out worse than any hound could have, when you turn into a snitch,

then your credability as a dogman goes out the window,

and yes i have seen with my own eyes, some things.
and as far as termite, perry [we] whipped everyone that came a knockin.

in a 4yr stretch 29w's 3l's,

and termite whipped,, spruill, tant, chavis, and crenshaw,

if you dont reconize those names, then you were out of the 'loop',

and those men showed up with 'bulldogs'.

to think termite wouldnt go in the mouth, then you couldnt have been at #4

because fletcher thought he had 'the one'

before termite crippled him, it was mouth to mouth, until 'joe' said no more.
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Ok kid. Whatever you say.....I have quite the life. Dogs are a only a small portion.

You have no interest in these things because you have a selfish, personal interest in the dogs.....and don;t care about the breed as a whole.

People like you who "don't care" are the major reason we have the problems we have today.

Grow up please. If you don't care for the subject, stay out of it.
I care tremendously for this breed! I care enough to know that arguing over the opinion of the color of an APBT does NOTHING to help this breed! And if you think that IM a major reason that we have the problems that this breed faces today than you OBVIOUSLY don't have a clue!!!!
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work is preservation... the lack of work has crippled every so called working breed in every prestigious mainstream registry.

you wanna real rat terrier?? its gotta be fast strong small and kill rats. NOT THE SHADOW OF THE DOG. then otherwise you have a replica not a rat terrier.

hounds, sled dogs, bulldog, catchdogs, wilderness survival experts like the Laikas.etc etc .. If they don't work ... then they just won't work. <<<--- (pun){{{
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