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Old 04-09-2014, 04:59 PM   #91 (permalink)
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...and to think that this whole discussion started over "color" LOL. These dogs are our pride an joy, whether OFRN or other....so some toes are bound to stepped on. "Us" OFRNers probably get our backs up quicker due to the misinformation circulating in today's generation....not to mention the out right haters of the strain and those preserving it, for whatever reason. With that in mind, and the fact that it is easier to push a key on a keyboard than to push a man in person, it is easy to see why topics get personal. It's comical though at times when two sides, who obviously care deeply for this breed, lock horns in debate......but that is the passion pouring out......and that passion is what gives me hope that the APBT will survive. WE ALL GIVE A DAMN...a very good sign!
Now, let's all just admit that the OFRN is the best.....and there will finally be peace in the kingdom LOL!!!!!!!!
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as long as too: those can admit that without COLBY (JPs leftovers) THERE WOULD BE NO OFRN .. AS WE.. KNOW it Today!!!
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g-man, if you think fb is a real dogman, then you just showed me how far you have to go,

i remember when he was just gettin started, and he did have some good ones, but,

he curred out worse than any hound could have, when you turn into a snitch,

then your credability as a dogman goes out the window,

and yes i have seen with my own eyes, some things.
and as far as termite, perry [we] whipped everyone that came a knockin.

in a 4yr stretch 29w's 3l's,

and termite whipped,, spruill, tant, chavis, and crenshaw,

if you dont reconize those names, then you were out of the 'loop',

and those men showed up with 'bulldogs'.

to think termite wouldnt go in the mouth, then you couldnt have been at #4

because fletcher thought he had 'the one'

before termite crippled him, it was mouth to mouth, until 'joe' said no more.
Never once have I heard that....about Floyd. Ever. Although he was ratted out.

What I never mentioned is what I heard about Carl.

I heard he was the one who got Vick started into the dogs, and he then gave info in the trial.
If it is true, anyone that would give dogs to a lowlife like Vick and his crew committed just as bad an offense as ratting, IMO. Hard to say which is worse.
Where I am from, you take the fall, even for an enemy...

But I agree, not just in dogs, but all of life...break your word, you can never get it back.

True or false? IDK, and don't really care.

You know since the RICO law came out that the snitches grew in number, especially after John Gotti was ratted out by Sammy Gravano.

Snitches and bounties are what ruined the dog game, and any other criminal organization. (Although I do not consider professional matching criminal--although it is by law.)

Heard many stories about Crenshaw, and that he was a great guy. Can't say I have heard the same for the others. Never heard of Spruill.

What I didn't mention was that Termite was also disliked for being a manbiter. I never saw the dog in person, so cannot say.
I did have a former dog with Termite in him. Other half Kingfish.
He was borderline.....doom on any stranger that approached him, unless I was there.
He did bite at a friend once to try and get at another dog.

Never discredit a mans dogs unless you are ready to put your money down. As it is said, "Money walks, BS talks."
If everyone followed that rule, there would be much less debating.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:29 PM   #93 (permalink)
 
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here is your smut .. buckskin red on buckskin yellow off one of my favorite dogs.. that I've only read and heard about of course.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:41 PM   #94 (permalink)
 
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See "Goeman".. despite the lil disagreements I can respect where you come from. Agree with a good point itd be stupid to argue with the truth. ..

Like everyone .. everyone makes some mistakes ... I believe itd be much more humble to mention some of the breedings that let you down or dogs that let you down. See when you have a small select few who can tell you the truth on the dogs ONLY the truth matters. Not his truth their truth or your truth.. THE TRUTH. On this you and I agree and in the manner of the degredation of the breed as well and how and why it came about. YOU Have PASSION! thats a good thing and I can't but give you more kudos for it.



Your right ... I may have cause some confusion or misdirection. Hell in my mind it was KISS the whole way. I re read it from a different point of view.. quite pretentious. NOT the way I was thinking.

STILL... IMO that was simple ... but I can see how I sounded simple as well.
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When I have what I can call "my own family of dogs" I will let you know. I have not bred a whole lot, and never sold anything.

However, I can give you my own personal opinions, based on trial and error.

Any pup BORN with physical deformities should be culled immediately. No questions.
I'm not talking conformation, but clearly visible deformities.

Next, and most important, IMO, is to cull out any pup that is fearful or very shy and that doesn't like getting close to people.
A puppy is the seed of what it will be when full grown.
A sound temperament along with confidence is the first priority to look for in a pup.
Mistake: I kept a couple puppies once, that were fearful and shy, and regretted it. Poor behaved or unstable minded dogs have no place in this breed.
While you want your dog to bond with you, if it is fearful of others, it is worthless and potential trouble.
I always tell people, never pick the shy one of the litter, the loner. Don;t get a pup just because you pity it.

When you have a stable minded pup, then you have something to work with, and pick and choose the best of them to breed.
To know you have the best, you need to keep the whole litter. First borns, second born, etc, means nothing IMO.
Breeders who sell by birth order don;t know what they are doing, IMO.

That is as far as I can suggest now. You have to get rid of "puppy love" and never get attached.
If people can't do that, they have no business breeding, IMO.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:48 PM   #95 (permalink)
 
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Surfer.. as always: Truth... nuttin but the proven truth.

Alot of truth here...
as long as too: those can admit that without COLBY (JPs leftovers) THERE WOULD BE NO OFRN .. AS WE.. KNOW it Today!!!
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LOL, OFRN was around before Colby, it just didn't have a name yet.

They were in the states before the civil war. But we have already debated this, lol.

Doesn't matter to me...the only dogs that matter are the grandparents and great-grandparents. For that is what a pup turns out like.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:50 PM   #96 (permalink)
 
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I care tremendously for this breed! I care enough to know that arguing over the opinion of the color of an APBT does NOTHING to help this breed! And if you think that IM a major reason that we have the problems that this breed faces today than you OBVIOUSLY don't have a clue!!!!
I'm just judging by what you already said, that color and registry standards don;t matter to you.

Those that discredit history are who have created the problems, and those changes come due to registries....when the show nuts, all for looks people take over.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:55 PM   #97 (permalink)
 

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First borns, second born, etc, means nothing IMO.
Breeders who sell by birth order don;t know what they are doing, IMO.
I'll agree your 'IMO' is dead on there G. The order in which a pup is whelped has nothing to do with the quality dog it will become.

In my dogs before bulldogs I only dealt with well established and reputable breeders. I had not even heard the birth order thing until I read this, but I'm sure there are byb's for any breed out there that have this kind of recokulous thought process.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:59 PM   #98 (permalink)
 
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I'll agree your 'IMO' is dead on there G. The order in which a pup is whelped has nothing to do with the quality dog it will become.

In my dogs before bulldogs I only dealt with well established and reputable breeders. I had not even heard the birth order thing until I read this, but I'm sure there are byb's for any breed out there that have this kind of recokulous thought process.
I kid you not, some will take deposits for birth order.

Only peddlers do that. $4000 for first born, $3000 for second born..

Some even add $500 for the females to total price.

In my spare time I have been finding sites I know for a fact are peddlers and plan to expose them in the future.

If dedicated owners don't take a stand, who else will do it for us?

They should be exposed to legit registries and petitions signed to disqualify the pretend-a-pit breeders.
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:02 PM   #99 (permalink)
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I hate it when idiot "breeders" charge more for pups from the same litter. it makes no sense, wether they are male or female. black, white, green, or pink. if the dogs are all from the same litter than they are all equal.
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hate to say it but, if you want a female from me,
add another grand at least, and some cant be bought,

i know that i have the only dogs in the WORLD bred like mine,

it's taken since 1980, to get here, why on earth would i just give them away??????????

as far as carl, i was one of the ones that was going to va. when m. vick was still pre-teen, carls' son is highway patrol.

we [carl] knew 1 week beforehand, micheal was told when he got those dogs, NOT to 'touch' them. he dropped large, when it got backl to those in nc.

carl went witrh some help, no names implied, and took back 29 dogs,

i dont remember him, but apparently he grew up and stayed with these dogs.

but ended up being a loser, no one will really understand the quality of dogs he had,

some littermates went for 40k, and was offered 60k for some more, but turned it down

thats the real story, out for the first time....

as far as goin in to 'CAROLINA KENNELS' the door was always open, and the ones that talked bad, are the ones we didnt deal with,

envy, is not good.
i was taught let them worry about us...................

these men were, USMC, no slouches when it came to integrity'

it took over 20yrs, before carl would let his blood come this way,
he said we were just to hard on them,

i can remember, goin from 235, to about 175 in a weekend,

but we did not mess around, they all dont turn out, but anyone out of 'the circle' did not see the bad ones.
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Good to know the dogs were taken back. When that case came out, all I wanted to do is line them thugs up and execute them.
Dog abusers need to be branded on the hands with hot iron, and their backs whipped until they pass out. Then they get the medical bills....
Ever seen with a dog again, with the brand and the scars on back, they shall be executed. Abuse would end quickly.
But the wimpy human rights idiots would protest and start crying a river.
Screw the jail, and having taxpayers feed them...

I know what you mean by dogs that can't be bought, for any price.

I was referring to breeders who have no clue what they are doing, and selling mutts to the unknowing.
Private breeders can do as they like...they aren't causing the problems and filling the shelters and producing the next generation of doggie worshipers.

I call this generation the rainbow generation....but I was told Howard Heinzl beat me to it, lol.
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Now, let's all just admit that the OFRN is the best.....and there will finally be peace in the kingdom LOL!!!!!!!!


You, my friend, are a no good, down low, dirty rotten SOB of a trouble maker!
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You, my friend, are a no good, down low, dirty rotten SOB of a trouble maker!
...........and those are my good qualities!
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excellent points of clarity gentlemen and hilarious moments of truth.

.. hahahaha.. I got love for all ya'll..
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In certain areas for sure! Funny thing about this county is adjacent to 'the hood' there are multimillion dollar homes, only seperated by a 4 lane road....

Then there is my area which is a quiet middle class neighborhood with A rated schools, where 3 blocks east of me on the other side of a 4 lane road is an area I won't go to in daylight...

All of south Florida is that way. Rich neighborhood >> the hood >> middle class >> the hood >> rinse and repeat.
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