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Old 04-10-2014, 08:26 AM   #106 (permalink)
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floyd who???????

jackie spruill, david tant, james crenshaw, and fletcher chavis[via boone].

those are the ones, they are all gone now.

as far as ofrn, goes, they were my first love,

and mine were show or go, got several adba conformation show winners. at that time i was under the wing of someone older than me,

who took me places and met people,

thats when i met p., r., & bd., and redboy blood couldnt be got anywhere, but we had it,

thru fletcher and joe medlin, and p. or r. were not letting it out, we kept everything,

so when you saw ck, you saw the best we had at that weight,

our little clique had about 6-8 maybe 10 that would 'school them out' together,

with a field like that, the numbers just took over,

we would be able to pick the best out of 150, versus someone coming with the best of 15, the numbers just aint there.
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1x Donated to get Indigo and Cree out of florida
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A few of them too...
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No, Arrow was not smut. He was a 2XW and open.
thats smut... if it aint.. then my red dog with the same markings on face aren't smut either .. its a mutation of it red on red or its just a shadow that doesnt go away. Like I said in many posts before OFRN was my first love as well ^^^ and I don't believe I said anything about them lacking ability or game. Matter afact I said I liked danger and wanted stuff tight like that or none at all. Why?? Cause I can pull the same dogs out of Xs out of any good strain down from Dibo .. Becuase the DNA is all there. Its all math. As long as they're workers DNA doesn't lie. Same with Colby.. its the preservation factor. IF not a solid honest dog to its ped.. I can get any dog out of a good dibo sub strain or family. However light has shinned down on me, and I got me something to preserve special thanks to those involved
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floyd who???????
Boudreaux

I think now you thought I was referring to Fat Bill.
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yes i was,

i've never heard a bad word about floyd.
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thats smut... if it aint.. then my red dog with the same markings on face aren't smut either .. its a mutation of it red on red or its just a shadow that doesnt go away. Like I said in many posts before OFRN was my first love as well ^^^ and I don't believe I said anything about them lacking ability or game. Matter afact I said I liked danger and wanted stuff tight like that or none at all. Why?? Cause I can pull the same dogs out of Xs out of any good strain down from Dibo .. Becuase the DNA is all there. Its all math. As long as they're workers DNA doesn't lie. Same with Colby.. its the preservation factor. IF not a solid honest dog to its ped.. I can get any dog out of a good dibo sub strain or family. However light has shinned down on me, and I got me something to preserve special thanks to those involved
It's just an old pic.

There is one place to get those dogs, that have not been outcrossed.

Here is a link with some history: OLD FAMILY KENNELS |

As I hinted above, IMO, to look for dogs with "specific" dogs way back is about the same as paper hanging.
The only dogs that matter are the grandparents and great-grandparents.
Personally, I don;t believe in outcrossing UNLESS there is something lacking.
If it isn't broke, don;t fix it!
When tight line breeding, you get the good with the bad. The bad is culled out.
True ApBT's are built up through selective breeding, not through mathematics.
No bloodline is flawless, but with a good one, and careful culling, the % of quality dogs grows and bad dogs can be rare.

A lot of bloodlines were ruined by careless breeders. Lots of watered down dogs out there, because everyone thinks they can just mix and get the blood to click.

Oh, and DNA CAN lie!
The only thing in a dog that can't lie is the heart! You can't see it, but you can hear it.
Many mistake a dog as being game-bred because of the peds.
Gameness was always the last thing seen in a dog.
And even then, if not conditioned properly, it could still lose.

Another thing, many would go out and buy a dog of another blood, and then super test it.
They always tested other blood harder than their own.
Then, sometimes, they would second guess and test again.
Each "test" took something out of a dog. So they often ruined dogs of other blood, afraid to admit it was better than their own.
That is called foolish pride.
My friend FM said guys who did that didn't deserve dogs, as they were only in it for the money.
Carver used to say, "This dog is willing to give its all and die for me, so you can be damn sure I'm gonna be his friend."
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Selective breeding ... is mathematics... just the the four corners is the scientific method of proving game... no.. DNA doesnt lie, people are just fooled by themselves, ignorance/negligent thinking or haphazardly stuck in a mind frame.


other than that ...
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