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Old 05-25-2016, 01:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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As far as papers my dams dam is a dual registered APBT/Staffordshire Bull Terrier and her sire is a dual registered APBT/American Bully Purple Ribbon champ in both rings.

My sires damn is dual registered as APBT/Staffordshire Terrier and so is his sire.

There are grand champs (old school) and purple ribbon champs throughout the pedigrees.

They have many relatives and some unknowns through several generations from around the time the UKC was established and through the 70's until the dogs were spread out i'm assuming.

I refuse to share the ingredients because I'm sure i've put together an awesome mix and don't want to be copycated.

I joined this forum seeking knowledge as well as share mines and to share these dogs as I progress. Arrogance is of the ignorant.

I have no more to say as far as defending myself from the senseless but I will continue to share posts and updates of my dogs/puppies as they grow...if i'm not banned.
Purple Ribbon just means 4 generations of documented pedigrees. It's not a "champion" title. Also, mixing breeds is not bettering a breed. It's making mutts. AmStaffs, Staffy Bulls, Am Bullies, and APBT are all different breeds.

Perhaps you should read more and pop off less.
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As far as papers my dams dam is a dual registered APBT/Staffordshire Bull Terrier and her sire is a dual registered APBT/American Bully Purple Ribbon champ in both rings.

My sires damn is dual registered as APBT/Staffordshire Terrier and so is his sire.

There are grand champs (old school) and purple ribbon champs throughout the pedigrees.

They have many relatives and some unknowns through several generations from around the time the UKC was established and through the 70's until the dogs were spread out i'm assuming.

I refuse to share the ingredients because I'm sure i've put together an awesome mix and don't want to be copycated.

I joined this forum seeking knowledge as well as share mines and to share these dogs as I progress. Arrogance is of the ignorant.

I have no more to say as far as defending myself from the senseless but I will continue to share posts and updates of my dogs/puppies as they grow...if i'm not banned.
Purple Ribbon just means 4 generations of documented pedigrees. It's not a "champion" title. Also, mixing breeds is not bettering a breed. It's making mutts. AmStaffs, Staffy Bulls, Am Bullies, and APBT are all different breeds.

Perhaps you should read more and pop off less.
I'm not popping off just educating. Why are you so offended???

Perhaps you should do more research as to how the names were given to the breed. There are different lines within the breed but damn near any pit bull you come across carries the genetics of its ancestors.

They are all the same dog. STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER was a name given by the AKC to try to get away from the PIT in APBT and so that APBT's could be registered through AKC without the negative sterotype.

And anyone that knows the history knows European terrier (STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER) Pitbull type dogs were imported from England/Ireland and crossed with APBT's as a matter of fact the original dogs came here with migrants from Europe (i'd also like to believe that those dogs were crossed with dogs that were already here...I could be wrong on that though).

Also anyone that knows the said history of Bullies knows they were created using larger body/head type APBT's and STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIERS as they are in essence the same breed bred for different purposes. (I believe it is a fact that many of the Bullies do have bulldog in them and from what I can tell from my dams dad pedigree and pics of his relatives i'm pretty certain I chose a line where that didn't occur.)

Also if you've done your research it's been stated by several dog men that they would register their dogs according to type. If the Pup/dog didn't meet AKC standards as far as show ring quality or it showed it had fighting instinct it was papered under UKC. If it didn't have that instinct and did look AKC show quality they were papered AKC. SOME HAD BOTH QUALITIES AND WERE DUAL REGISTERED.

And I know what Purple Ribbon means, I was just stating they were Purple Ribbon Champs, GC's too as well. Next time i'll be more precise when I type and add an AND or Slash in between.
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Those pictures on the first page are so Sad. Chained up, dirty small dog houses. Leaves on the ground that look like they been there for over a year. I treat my dogs like family. They have never been chained up in an environment like that!
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:43 PM   #34 (permalink)
 
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I'm not popping off just educating. Why are you so offended???

Perhaps you should do more research as to how the names were given to the breed. There are different lines within the breed but damn near any pit bull you come across carries the genetics of its ancestors.

They are all the same dog. STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER was a name given by the AKC to try to get away from the PIT in APBT and so that APBT's could be registered through AKC without the negative sterotype.

And anyone that knows the history knows European terrier (STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER) Pitbull type dogs were imported from England/Ireland and crossed with APBT's as a matter of fact the original dogs came here with migrants from Europe (i'd also like to believe that those dogs were crossed with dogs that were already here...I could be wrong on that though).

Also anyone that knows the said history of Bullies knows they were created using larger body/head type APBT's and STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIERS as they are in essence the same breed bred for different purposes. (I believe it is a fact that many of the Bullies do have bulldog in them and from what I can tell from my dams dad pedigree and pics of his relatives i'm pretty certain I chose a line where that didn't occur.)

Also if you've done your research it's been stated by several dog men that they would register their dogs according to type. If the Pup/dog didn't meet AKC standards as far as show ring quality or it showed it had fighting instinct it was papered under UKC. If it didn't have that instinct and did look AKC show quality they were papered AKC. SOME HAD BOTH QUALITIES AND WERE DUAL REGISTERED.

And I know what Purple Ribbon means, I was just stating they were Purple Ribbon Champs, GC's too as well. Next time i'll be more precise when I type and add an AND or Slash in between.


The uneducated should never try to educate. I'm not offended by your statements. I'm offended by you mixing breeds and calling them APBTs when they are so clearly not.
Yes the Amstaff comes from the APBT, but todays AmStaff is a different breed. It was not bred for gameness, it was bred for the show ring and conformation. The American PIT Bull Terrier was not bred for conformation and shows. It is no longer used for fighting in the pit, but it's athleticism is still celebrated in ADBA events. What was done in the past to create the APBT does not reflect on the other breeds that started with the APBT, because they were bred away from the purpose/standard for the APBT. Would you say the Malinois is the same as the German Shepherd? What about the Boxer and English Mastiff?

You knowingly bred two different breeds together and still want to call it a PIT bull. That makes you part of the problem.
You can say they are all the same breed until you are blue in the face and pass out. But the reality of it is, they are no longer the same breed. Any of these individual breeds today, regardless of what dogs are listed 15-20 generations back are still just the individual breed. When you breed away from purpose/standard, you no longer have that breed.

American Bullies started as a hot mess. In many instances they still are. The ABKC is trying to get it straightened out a little bit at a time. They were bred so far away from purpose/standard for both the APBT and the AmStaff that only the uneducated would involve them in a breeding program for APBTs.

I own and have read ALL of Stratton's books on the APBT. Maybe you should hit a library and see what you can learn.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:20 PM   #35 (permalink)
 
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I don't know why you would breed a mixed breed dog. That is what the shelter is full of. I will probably always have shelter dogs, as I just want a pet.

I understand breeding for a purebred papered dog. Some people like a specific breed and as long as those breeders have homes for their puppies, I have no problem with it.

To breed mixed breed dogs just for money sounds so irresponsible and is why the shelters are full of "pitbulls" who live a sad life until they are eutbinized. I'm sure my dog was a result of a backyard breeder who sold a dog and once that doh was no longer a cute little puppy, he was no longer wanted.
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EckoMac is hitting the nail on the head. You think you know it all but your ignorance shows in every post. Like I've already said, you need to go back to the books before breeding.
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I would really urge you to talk with some breed Judges and Reps. You will see that while yes all these breeds were once one. When the AKC was started was in the early 1900 There for e time and purpose have separated the breeds in significant ways. So by talking to Registry Reps you will see that the Registries while too late. They are trying to right these wrong by further separating the breeds.

So funny enough, you say back to breeding in since you are indeed going back. Undoing the giant mistake they have desperately been trying to fix over the last two or three years. With the two big registries in APBT recognizing and separating the American bully.
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