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Old 09-29-2010, 10:45 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I just wanted to add reverse brindle is NOT a color. When you name a brindle color you list the underlying color/ dominant/main color and then the word brindle. Reverse is not a color; thus, not an option. That is a term used by a lot of BYBs from what I've seen.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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Here is my Lilac "Purple tri I produced...
his geno type would be as At ,dd,bb,E

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my boy Ricochet is registered ukc /adba as a Champagne/fawn /White...he is not a blue. he is actually more a red geneticly then a blue....as all canine's base makeup is either Red or Black.

here is abetter picture....
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lilac/purple is the new name for a certain shade of Champagne...as we all know champagne comes in many shades...some say it is a double diluted gene modifier...others say it is a gene on its own.
if you're positive of his genotype then you may be right about him being lilac.

eh, lilac and blue are confusing. he has a silvery tint in the pic, but that doesn't mean he's not lilac since lilac is usually a silvery/light chocolate color. i've come across pics of lilac dogs in other breeds and they still have a silvery blue tint in the photos. it looks different in person though. hard to explain. i had a rabbit years ago who was considered lilac and he was the same color as your dog. lilac isn't champagne though, that's a different color entirely. lilac isn't listed as a standard color for apbt as sadie said too, but if you research other breeds that it occurs in (aussies, dobermans, weims, shar-peis etc) or even other animals (cats, rabbits) you can find countless examples and explanations of lilac. i'm fairly certain that for every dense color (in this case that refers to blacks and chocolates) there is a resulting dilute (black turns blue, chocolate turns lilac). so just as black turns out different shades of blue, chocolate turns out different shades too - referred to as isabella or lilac. nonetheless lilac is a real color, i'm pretty sure BYBs just started using the term in hopes of boosting profits without actually knowing what it meant and in the end caused more confusion. JMO. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

edit: i should also add that while people refer to isabella and lilac as the same thing, there is some argument over the fact that those terms shouldn't be used to refer to the other. some say isabella is more of a golden color while lilac is more of the color you see in standard weimaraners. it gets really confusing. -_-

anyways here's an example of lilac using weimaraner pups and how it can change depending on the lighting in photos.



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Old 10-01-2010, 07:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
 

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Lilac in this breed is NOT a color at all and it really irritates me when breeder's advertise it as a color there is no genetic genotype for Lilac Or Purple for the breed or terrier related breeds LOL what people refer to as lilac or purple or silver is really just a lighter shade of grey AKA blue.
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Lilac in this breed is NOT a color at all and it really irritates me when breeder's advertise it as a color there is no genetic genotype for Lilac Or Purple for the breed or terrier related breeds LOL what people refer to as lilac or purple or silver is really just a lighter shade of grey AKA blue.
it may not be a color for this breed, however i disagree with the statement that it's not a color at all. there's a difference between grey which has a blue undertone and a grey that looks brown in the sun. would you call a grey dog that looks tan/brown sometimes a blue dog? i don't understand that so feel free to explain please. not being rude, just asking.

i'd also like to add that i didn't refer to it as purple or silver as idk where people got "purple" from and strict silver is just a light shade of blue to me.......

this is also posted on the upenn.edu site for veterinary medicine titled "Patterns of Inheritance and Examples of Coat Color Genetics" in dobies. if it weren't a real color, why would it be listed?
"Isabella or fawn (silvery-brown body color resembling Weimeraner with pale tan points)"
"Lilac Point - dilute chocolate points, pale chocolate nose"




oh and one more thing i'm confused on. lilac may not be in the color standard for our dogs, but in my head i don't understand how that could mean it simply doesn't exist. pink noses aren't a breed standard in amstaffs, but they do occur here and there for whatever reason. if black apbts and amstaffs exist and we managed to get blues out of it.....then why can't chocolate end up as lilac?? i also don't get this talk about lilac not being a possible color for these dogs AT ALL. AKC says "Any color, solid, parti, or patched is permissible, but all white, more than 80 per cent white, black and tan, and liver not to be encouraged." UKC says "Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle." On the UKC color chart (http://www.apbtconformation.com/colors.htm) it says "THERE ARE A LOT MORE COLORS OUT THERE". Idk...i just understand it as...it may not be permissible but it's a possible occurrence. nothing says "blank color doesn't exist and cannot occur". am i missing something??

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it may not be a color for this breed, however i disagree with the statement that it's not a color at all. there's a difference between grey which has a blue undertone and a grey that looks brown in the sun. would you call a grey dog that looks tan/brown sometimes a blue dog? i don't understand that so feel free to explain please. not being rude, just asking.

i'd also like to add that i didn't refer to it as purple or silver as idk where people got "purple" from and strict silver is just a light shade of blue to me.......

this is also posted on the upenn.edu site for veterinary medicine titled "Patterns of Inheritance and Examples of Coat Color Genetics" in dobies. if it weren't a real color, why would it be listed?
"Isabella or fawn (silvery-brown body color resembling Weimeraner with pale tan points)"
"Lilac Point - dilute chocolate points, pale chocolate nose"
I was talking about the person who posted there tri color dog and said they produced a lilac purple TRI so that is what I was referring to and I was not talking about every other breed just APBT/BULLY/STAFFY

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Here is my Lilac "Purple tri I produced...
his geno type would be as At ,dd,bb,E

There is just no such thing this is what I was referring to. But people can call there dogs whatever color they want it's just irritating because it's common knowledge that in this breed these are not colors.
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no prob..just trying to understand. color talk always gets me confused.
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[QUOTE=mcmlxxxvii;352433 there's a difference between grey which has a blue undertone and a grey that looks brown in the sun. would you call a grey dog that looks tan/brown sometimes a blue dog?[/QUOTE]

If what your talking about is what I think your talking about I would call it a fawn bluie some may call it a champagne

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yeah i've seen that dog before. i'm pretty sure that's not a blue fawn. i posted a topic about that in july when i first got my puppy and was trying to figure out what color she was. everyone said a blue fawn was this



after doing research i would have to agree. :\ blue fawn and champagne also aren't the same color.....
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Yeah the pup looks like a blue fawn to me I think layla the picture I posted may be a fawn bluie/blue fawn ... I don't even think champagne is a color on the color charts I have never seen it anyway

But see my sister owned a pup who was the EXACT same color as the dog I posted and on her adba paper's she is registered as a blue fawn.

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Yeah the pup looks like a blue fawn to me I think layla the picture I posted may be a fawn bluie ... I don't even think champagne is a color on the color charts I have never seen it anyway

But see my sister owned a pup who was the EXACT same color as the dog I posted and on her adba paper's she is registered as a blue fawn.


i thought blue fawn and fawn bluie were the same thing, just a diff way to say it. & i haven't seen champagne on the color charts either but i know people refer to their dogs as that color. a lot of colors seem to be missing from the charts anyway...and like i said the UKC site even acknowledges this in writing. i think american_pit13 claims her dog as champagne also. you can always ask her about it, she would know. just because the dog says blue fawn on it's paperwork doesn't really mean that is it's real color. ABK9 said his dog is listed as champagne on his paperwork but the dog obviously doesn't look champagne. i've also noticed other people claim that their dog is listed as the wrong color on it's registration either by a breeder mistake or their own. so idk if that would even matter.
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is there a place to see layla's pedigree? i can't find it on the atl site. but if her parents are both blue...it doesn't necessarily mean she's "blue". lilac does occur when both parents are blue but chocolate is in the immediate pedigree so if that's her case...she could just be a lilac?? either way idk what color she is for sure. i'm def not an expert. just been reading up on this stuff.

is atlkingpits even legit? lol...the site seems like one of those sketchy breeders who just want lots of $$. they called this dog "fawn blue/champagne" & idk how it can be both?



i just saw that layla has ICK in her and wasn't there something posted on here saying that kennel got banned from registering bc they were 'expensive mutts'? maybe that site doesn't even know what they're talking about as far as color. just a side thought.

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according to the registries it looks like the adba calls them fawn bluies and the UKC/AKC calls them blue fawns and no champagne is not a color along with lilac and purple @ least not in these dogs it's not.

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AKC BLUE FAWN

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Blue fawns look more fawn some red tones and a blue/grey cast or markings to the coat with a blue or grey nose

Fawn bluie looks more tan with red undertones appears to have some grey/blue cast to the coat with a red or blue/grey appearance to the nose
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is there a place to see layla's pedigree? i can't find it on the atl site. but if her parents are both blue...it doesn't necessarily mean she's "blue". lilac does occur when both parents are blue but chocolate is in the immediate pedigree so if that's her case...she could just be a lilac?? either way idk what color she is for sure. i'm def not an expert. just been reading up on this stuff.

is atlkingpits even legit? lol...the site seems like one of those sketchy breeders who just want lots of $$. they called this dog "fawn blue/champagne" & idk how it can be both?



i just saw that layla has ICK in her and wasn't there something posted on here saying that kennel got banned from registering bc they were 'expensive mutts'? maybe that site doesn't even know what they're talking about as far as color. just a side thought.

ATLking pits is a bully breeder I don't own bullies don't know anything about them other than basic stuff the color of layla is what I would consider a blue fawn/fawn bluie these colors are more common in bullies and staff's then they are game dogs. I was just posting an example of what I thought was a blue fawn or fawn bluie I don't know anything about that kennel. Lilac, Champagne, Purple, Tri Purple, these are all made up colors in this breed dogs are not registered as these colors within our breed. Breeder's use them as selling points to make a dog sound rare unique or special. I can't speak for other breeds because I only own and deal with bulldogs.
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according to the registries it looks like the adba calls them fawn bluies and the UKC/AKC calls them blue fawns and no champagne is not a color along with lilac and purple @ least not in these dogs it's not.

ADBA
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AKC BLUE FAWN

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UKC BLUE FAWN

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Blue fawns look more fawn some red tones and a blue/grey cast or markings to the coat with a blue or grey nose

Fawn bluie looks more tan with red undertones appears to have some grey/blue cast to the coat with a red or blue/grey appearance to the nose

yeah it's not a standard color, but idk. it just isn't logical to me that an apbt or amstaff can't be that color. i'm fairly certain people said blue wasn't a color for this breed...but with black dogs we eventually got the dilutes. and look...now we have blue dogs. the same is true for chocolate. we have chocolate so how is it not logical that a dilute of it isn't a possible occurrence? i was under the impression that a blue fawn looks more like the pic i already posted and like the one below...and that BYBs also took the term "blue fawn" and started using it sell puppies which is why you see "rare blue fawn pups" all over craigslist and the dog looks diff...

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