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Old 07-04-2011, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WHY WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE DIFFERENCES!

Mantecan fights to keep his pet pit bull ?intact?


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By Rose Albano-Risso City Editor [email protected] 209-249-3536




POSTED July 1, 2011 12:36 a.m.







Tom Hohn’s pet dog Zeus is at the Manteca animal shelter.

The unemployed plumber, who lost his job six months ago, said all he wants is to have his “best friend” and “constant companion” home.

The city Animal Control officer he talked to said that would be no problem. All Hohn has to do is have his dog neutered.

The reason: Zeus is a pit bull. Not only that, the 16-month-old dog that the Hohns purchased 16 months ago from a Modesto breeder is not neutered. Manteca city Ordinance 1416 adopted in October 2008 mandates that pit bull owners should have their dogs spayed or neutered if they plan to keep their dogs within the city limits for more than 30 days. Failure to do so will result in fines and possible jail time. The ordinance also requires that neutering or spaying on all pit bull breeds be done when the dogs are eight weeks old.

But Hohn is vehemently opposed to all of that. He says his Zeus is not a pit bull but “a pure bred American Bully.”

He is even willing to “move out of Manteca, with my dog intact,” he added.

“I’d gladly leave Manteca and quit paying my taxes,” said Hohn who was visibly upset and angry when he, along with his daughter Rayanne, talked to a reporter Thursday afternoon.

The family has called Manteca home for the last 10 years.

Hohn is also arguing that while his dog may look like a pit bull, he is not.

“He is an American Bully. They are bred to take all the meanness out of them,” Rayanne said.

“He is a trained dog,” added Hohn, who qualified after further questioning, that the training was “done by me.”

He also said, “Zeus has helped me through a lot of sickness last year.”

The dog has never been a problem, said Rayanne. “He goes everywhere with my dad. My dad has taken him to Home Depot, Pet Smart – everywhere. People know him well,” she said.



From Woodward Park to the dog pound

It was with that confidence that the Hohns brought Zeus and Rayanne’s Maltese poodle to play in the “fenced in” storm retention basin at Woodward Park around 10 o’clock Thursday morning.

“I thought this was a good place for them to play,” said Hohn.

Within half an hour, an animal control officer showed up, then walked up to him and started asking questions.

This is how Hohn described the verbal interaction at the park:

Officer: Do you have an ID for this dog?

Hohn: No.

Officer: Does your dog have a leash?

Hohn: Yes, my daughter is holding it.

Officer: Is your pit bull neutered?

Hohn: No.

Officer: Oh, s…t!

Hohn: I’m taking my dog home.

Officer: No, you’re not leaving; you’re not going anywhere. You take one more step and you’re going to be arrested.

Hohn: You’re going to arrest me for walking my dog at the park?

At that point, said Hohn, the animal control talked with someone on his radio and soon “an undercover cop and four patrol cops” arrived.

He said he also told the officers, “I didn’t know about the (pit pull) ordinance. I’ll have this rectified.” But they “confiscated” his dog anyway, he said.

Hohn said he found out later that someone had called the police about his pit bull Zeus being at the park. He said, they didn’t see anybody around, nor did they hear anybody complain about their presence there.

Manteca’s ordinance on pit bulls as pets contains specific language on why neutering and spaying are required, what the exceptions are, and penalties that arise in case of violations. A pit bull is exempted from mandatory neutering and spaying if “the owner, guardian, or keeper has obtained, or has submitted an application for a breeding permit” in accordance to the language of the ordinance.

Another exception is if the pit bull is a show dog. Zeus, though, does not fall under that category even though it has papers from UKC (United Kennel Club), Hohn said, showing that particular evidence.

The city ordinance defines pit bull as “any dog that is a Bull Terrier, Miniature Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, or any other dog displaying the physical traits of any one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics that conform to the 6.10.030 standards established by the American Kennel Club (“AKC”) or United Kennel Club (“UKC) for any of the above breeds.”

While his pet is at the dog pound, Hohn has to pay $10 each day it is kept there. He is also determined to bring Zeus home “intact.”

“If I have to get a lawyer, I will, even though I can’t afford one,” said Hohn, who added that he may try to obtain one to help him pro bono.

Thursday was not the first time the Hohns have taken Zeus to Woodward Park. Hohn said he took his dog to a soccer game there about six months ago. But they left after “a gentleman came up and said that some people were uncomfortable” with the dog being there, and they complied without incident, Hohn said.

The city also has a law requiring dogs to be on a leash on public property.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is ridiculous ... dogs have to be spayed or neutered at 8 WEEKS OF AGE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? either way I hope the guy gets his dog back in one piece.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yea that's insane. No dog should be neutered or spayed that young. And what if this dog was going to be shown. All show dogs are required to be intact! LAME!!!!!!



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Old 07-05-2011, 02:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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LOL!! Typical man totally against neutering his dog. The article states he is just a pet bull and that he is not a show dog nor a dog that is going to be bred. If he does show the dog and/or has filed for some kind of breeding permit than he can keep his dog intact otherwise the city that he lives in has a city ordinance that calls for bully type breeds to be spayed or neutered. Honestly if he is just a pet than I see no reason why he is so against it. JMO. He said he would move or hire a lawyer but he can't seem to afford either so unless a lawyer is willing to work "pro bono" than he may have to do what his city ordinance calls for. But, on the other hand I would never spay or neuter a dog at 8 weeks of age.....I don't like that whole early s/n idea. It's not ideal for a growing pup to be fixed that early.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:01 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hohn is also arguing that while his dog may look like a pit bull, he is not.

“He is an American Bully. They are bred to take all the meanness out of them,” Rayanne said.
This is an ignorant statement to say the least. Nothing like making an actual APBT look bad. What meanness? Does he mean DA or is he feeding into the media hype with this comment and trying to make the Am bully look better. What a jerk!
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LOL!! Typical man totally against neutering his dog. The article states he is just a pet bull and that he is not a show dog nor a dog that is going to be bred. If he does show the dog and/or has filed for some kind of breeding permit than he can keep his dog intact otherwise the city that he lives in has a city ordinance that calls for bully type breeds to be spayed or neutered. Honestly if he is just a pet than I see no reason why he is so against it. JMO. He said he would move or hire a lawyer but he can't seem to afford either so unless a lawyer is willing to work "pro bono" than he may have to do what his city ordinance calls for. But, on the other hand I would never spay or neuter a dog at 8 weeks of age.....I don't like that whole early s/n idea. It's not ideal for a growing pup to be fixed that early.
the law has no right to step in and confiscate someones dog on the grounds that it hasnt been "fixed". it doesnt matter why he doesnt want to have his dog neutered. in the USA you should have the right to keep your dog intact if you wish. if i were him, i would take his case to court, get his dog back intact, and move to a better community.
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the law has no right to step in and confiscate someones dog on the grounds that it hasnt been "fixed". it doesnt matter why he doesnt want to have his dog neutered. in the USA you should have the right to keep your dog intact if you wish. if i were him, i would take his case to court, get his dog back intact, and move to a better community.
Yes, I agree they shouldn't have the right to do that. But it's all the irresponsible morons that ruin it for all the good dog owners. BSL isn't fair.... but again irresponsible dog owners have brought that on themselves and unfortunately we all have to suffer. I would hire a lawyer and move as well but that isn't always as easy as it sounds and this dude already stated he couldn't afford that. As far as the good old USA we are slowly turning into a communist country and it's only a matter of time before we don't have many rights left at all. Do I want to see that happen? Heck no!

I do see both sides of this story though...he should have the right to leave his dog intact but if those are the rules in his city ordinance to have your dog altered than either do it or move. To me it's not anything to get upset over alls he would have to do is get a breeding permit to keep his dogs jewels or just say he may show him in the future. Seriously, what do they have the testicle police driving around looking for intact males to take away to the pound and hold them until the owners agree on fixing them! I would hope police have more important things to do than check the butts of dogs It's all just silly to me!
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Yes, I agree they shouldn't have the right to do that. But it's all the irresponsible morons that ruin it for all the good dog owners. BSL isn't fair.... but again irresponsible dog owners have brought that on themselves and unfortunately we all have to suffer. I would hire a lawyer and move as well but that isn't always as easy as it sounds and this dude already stated he couldn't afford that. As far as the good old USA we are slowly turning into a communist country and it's only a matter of time before we don't have many rights left at all. Do I want to see that happen? Heck no!

I do see both sides of this story though...he should have the right to leave his dog intact but if those are the rules in his city ordinance to have your dog altered than either do it or move. To me it's not anything to get upset over alls he would have to do is get a breeding permit to keep his dogs jewels or just say he may show him in the future. Seriously, what do they have the testicle police driving around looking for intact males to take away to the pound and hold them until the owners agree on fixing them! I would hope police have more important things to do than check the butts of dogs It's all just silly to me!
i agree, it is silly. its also a little scary to me. just the idea that something so silly like making sure people get their animals neutered has become a law in the first place. here it is july 4th, the day we celebrate our independence and all day today ive been reading about all the ways our government has been screwing with our rights.

from what i read about this guy he seems pretty ignorant about the breeds of dog he is talking about. he probably just wants to keep his male intact so that he can become another BYB. personally, i am upset with the laws here in maryland where i live but moving just isnt an option for me right now so here i am. i can understand why hes stuck where he is. its sad to me that this problem hes having ever became a problem in the first place. he should not be troubled over an intact dog, period.
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Another exception is if the pit bull is a show dog. Zeus, though, does not fall under that category even though it has papers from UKC (United Kennel Club), Hohn said, showing that particular evidence.

The city ordinance defines pit bull as “any dog that is a Bull Terrier, Miniature Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, or any other dog displaying the physical traits of any one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics that conform to the 6.10.030 standards established by the American Kennel Club (“AKC”) or United Kennel Club (“UKC) for any of the above breeds.”
HTF would the county know if that dog wasn't show quality. If dude was smart he'd take that dog to every UKC just to say he is a show dog or register the dog with the ABKC as an American Bully, since that is what he actually is. The law doesn't say anything about the dog conforming to the ABKC standard and if he wanted to get real technical the dog doesn't conform to the UKC or AKC standards anyway.
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I don;t get it, I am sorry but if I was told my pet bull had to be s/n in order to be kept, or prove there is a valid reason for not doing so, I would do it hands down. this guy is letting his dog sit in "jail" because he doesn't want him fixed? that is the dumbest thing I have heard. Especially if they do not plan on showing him. And ignorance of the law doesn't stand up IMO And to say things like that against other similar breeds, just fuels the fight. Bully's are lumped in with staffies and Dobermans, Chows, and APBT, etc. are all in the same fight in my area. Why point fingers and not just get your dog fixed??
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LOL!! Typical man totally against neutering his dog. The article states he is just a pet bull and that he is not a show dog nor a dog that is going to be bred.
What the hell?? What does the owners gender matter? Its his property, to do with as he see's fit. I see no reason a persons desire to keep their animal intact automatically means they're a man anthro-whateverthatwordis their pet.

Im a female, and I am vehemently against spaying and neutering. You gonna profile me too? Wait, I don't have testicle envy.... hmmm. Must just be I want my dog to stay with all his or her bits.

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Also "he just wants to keep him intact so he can BYB" "Hes not a show dog so what does it matter" Do you people hear the elitist crap spewing out your mouths? You dont even know this guy, or his dog. What the hell is wrong with you, Bella? Rob?

Do either of you have a single lick of even vague proof that this guy is studding his male out, owns more than 1 dog, or is or is not showing?

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Also "he just wants to keep him intact so he can BYB" "Hes not a show dog so what does it matter" Do you people hear the elitist twat crap spewing out your mouths? You dont even know this guy, or his dog. What the hell is wrong with you, Bella? Rob?

Do either of you have a single lick of even vague proof that this guy is studding his male out, owns more than 1 dog, or is or is not showing?
did you even read the article or just people posts? He stated he did not show the dog. If he did, its my understanding from reading, he would be exempt from the BSL requiring the s/n.

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A pit bull is exempted from mandatory neutering and spaying if “the owner, guardian, or keeper has obtained, or has submitted an application for a breeding permit” in accordance to the language of the ordinance.

Another exception is if the pit bull is a show dog. Zeus, though, does not fall under that category even though it has papers from UKC (United Kennel Club), Hohn said, showing that particular evidence.

The city ordinance defines pit bull as “any dog that is a Bull Terrier, Miniature Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, or any other dog displaying the physical traits of any one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics that conform to the 6.10.030 standards established by the American Kennel Club (“AKC”) or United Kennel Club (“UKC) for any of the above breeds.”

In order to better this breed you should s/n pets! Pets should not be breed, bottom line. How does that make someone an elitist? Just because a dog is papered does NOT mean its a show dog, or a working dog or anything "worthy" of being breed. Its a pet, he admits. He should neuter instead of begging for money to house a dog that misses his family and just wants to be home while he tries to fight this battle in court.
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What the hell?? What does the owners gender matter? Its his property, to do with as he see's fit. I see no reason a persons desire to keep their animal intact automatically means they're a man anthro-whateverthatwordis their pet.

Im a female, and I am vehemently against spaying and neutering. You gonna profile me too? Wait, I don't have nutsack envy.... hmmm. Must just be I want my dog to stay with all his or her bits.
You seem to come off angry in your post??? I can't read tone through the computer so try not being so snippy. I worked for many years with dogs and I would come across men all the time with small man syndrome that were against neutering there manly dogs that were just PETS.....Obviously there boy dog was compensating for something they lacked and I think it's ridiculous. It's a joke really, but whatever floats your boat! It's your dog Why are you so against spaying and neutering? I remember when you first joined here that your first post included that your dog was spayed? So how are you against it? Someday your thought process may change the day you deal with pyometra or cancer in a male. I know, I know, it's not as common as the vets would like us to think. But, it can happen.

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Also "he just wants to keep him intact so he can BYB" "Hes not a show dog so what does it matter" Do you people hear the elitist twat crap spewing out your mouths? You dont even know this guy, or his dog. What the hell is wrong with you, Bella? Rob?

Do either of you have a single lick of even vague proof that this guy is studding his male out, owns more than 1 dog, or is or is not showing?
Did you read the article? Did you read everything I said? I see both sides of the story. He said his dog was a pet.... And nothing is wrong with me or Rob......What's wrong with you?
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Ah, he may have a show quality dog, but isn't into the show scene so maybe he doesn't know he has a show quality dog. The article says the dog doesn't fall into show category, not that the owner says he doesn't. My point is that if someone forced me to cut off my dog's testicles, but I didn't have to if I showed then I would totally show him. I highly doubt someone is going to follow you around to a show to make sure you in the ring. Besides they say nothing about conforming to ABKC standards so he should drop his UKC and register ABKC. Ah, Americans love their freedom and don't like being told what to do. I have no problem with s/n but if I had someone ordering me to s/n then please believe I will have a huge problem with it.
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