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Old 03-29-2014, 09:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Help--I don't trust my mom's new rescued "pit bull"

Hi everyone--

New to this site...joined in the hopes I can get some advice. Sorry this is so long--really need some help.

My mother rents from my husband and I; she has a yard around the guest house that she stays in that is fenced off from the main (our) yard (although we share the dividing fence). My mom rescued a pit bull type dog from the shelter about two or so weeks ago. He had been described as "fearful/shy" but still passed all his evaluations before being put up for adoption. When I first met him, he acted like a sweet dog with me and was (and still is) absolutely crazy about my mom.

My husband and I are constantly outside along the fence that divides the yards because that's close to where our livestock and poultry are kept (which we, of course, have to care for multiple times a day). Basically, my point is that we are no strangers to the dog (since we am always against my mom's yard and also talking with my mom through the fence). Similarly, her other dogs love us to pieces so it isn't like they are giving off "bad" vibes towards my husband and I.

Anyway, the dog was great with my husband and I the first three days or so. Then, around the fourth day, we were standing along the fence talking when my husband rested his arm up against it. About 30 seconds later, the dog suddenly lunged at his arm in an attempt to bite him. We didn't react violently or fearfully towards the dog (in an attempt to not make the situation worse), but he continued to throw himself again at the fence like a maniac. Later, I was walking along the fence (as I had dozens of times previously), and he went after me through the fence (out of the blue) once again. I mean, seriously went after me...not just barking... but threw himself straight up against the fence at my face, snapping at me, and then proceeded to act as though he would jump the fence to get me.

What makes it worse is my husband and I have a four year old son. Whenever any of us gets within eyesight of the dog, he stares at us with an intensity that screams, "I want to f%&#%# kill you"...tail straight up...completely stiff...hackles up...staring at you in the face trying to make eye contact. He will even look at my four year old son this way.

When my mom is around, he still stares at me but is better. He once went after my husband through the fence in front of her (but immediately stopped when he saw my mom was watching). He also went after me through the fence with her there when I moved suddenly (not towards him or anything) but when she scolded him, he went straight behind her and just stared at me before she sent him away.

My mom had a wire crate with the intention of keeping him crated while she was gone but he shredded it to bits. I am looking for a working dog crate for her but she does not yet have the funds to buy one (since the cheapest my trainer can get is $350).

For a little background, my husband and I have four pitties of our own...I love the bully breeds. Before college, I worked as a dog groomer for years, and I have TONS of experiencing handling dogs of all breeds and temperaments. Actually, one of my dogs is personal protection trained (and before anyone jumps on me, she is also a canine good citizen, temperament tested, and champion show dog...completely stable). I am no newbie to dogs, but as far as I am concerned, this dog is a ticking time bomb.

My mom...I love her...but we do not always see eye to eye, and she is not the strongest or most diligent dog owner. Personally, this dog in her hands frightens me. He is CRAZY about her and is GLUED to her hip 24/7 when she is with him (almost to a weird obsessive way if you ask me). She takes him to the park and on walks and says there's never been a problem with strangers saying hi to him. Actually, she acted like she doubted me that he was acting aggressively until she saw it firsthand. I have discussed his issues with her but she is very attached to the dog and doesn't like talking about the problem. She says she will get a better crate when she has the money or she could rehome the dog. I said ABSOLUTELY NO to rehoming the dog...I do not trust the dog, and I don't want the dog to become someone else's problem. She said she wants me to spend more time with me walking with him and her and such but honestly, after I have seen how unpredictable he can be, I don't want to be in a position where he really could bite me. I mean, I don't trust my mom's ability to hold him back should he lunge at me suddenly...and I'll NEVER let him anywhere near my son no matter how "okay" he becomes. He's the type of dog that acts "okay" with you, but the second you move quickly or turn around, he's after you.

I have been around numerous personal protection and sport dogs...none have worried me like this dog because they were all stable and predictable. This dog, from what I have seen, is neither...and is a poor representation of the true temperament of the great pit bull breed. I realize that trying to bite someone through a fence is different than trying to bite someone when the dog is loose but I can honestly say I 100% believe he would go after me, fence or no fence. I have worked with dogs that bluff behind a fence and this is not one of them in my opinion.

My thought is there are countless pitties killed every day at shelters that are not at all aggressive or unpredictable that there is no reason to keep one around that is a liability. She argues that he is so good/loving/loyal with her, he can't be truly crazy. Although my mom says she will take him to my trainer next weekend to evaluate him, I personally don't see her putting in the time and money it takes to handle a dog like that. Most of all, I don't want him anywhere near my son...what if he got out of the fence somehow?

This is probably going to come off harsh, but in my opinion, any dog that will stare at a non-threatening four year old child like a piece of meat is worthless. There are too many amazing pit bulls out there to waste time with an unstable one...one that could not only hurt an innocent person but lead to more poor publicity for the pit bull breed. Am I being over the top about this? Does it seem like I have a legitimate concern? I am emotionally involved now so want an outsider's perspective to see if I am not thinking straight. Honest opinions are appreciated.

Sorry if this is a bit messy or hard to understand...would be sleeping right now if all this weren't heavy on my mind.

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Old 03-29-2014, 01:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Intense and unfortunate situation. Kudoz to your mom for helping rescue a dog in need. But any dog bites (or attempts to bite) a person out of unwanted or unneeded aggression, especially a large powerful dog, needs to be pig food, or buried. Period.

My mom in law woulda found out the moment that dog went after my 4 year old that I will end that dog right there on the spot. Rescue or not

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Yeah there are always dogs to save. Who is anyone to say what someone else should or should not be saving. Yeah other dogs need help but those aren't the dogs she is helping. Why don't you pay for a trainer to work with you and the dog if your not comfortable. Can you go to the place she rescued it from an talk to them? My shelter will take back a dog for basing a cat if the owners want to return them lol. Stupidest reasons but we take back any dog that has gone through out doors. Rehoming should to be an option but back to the shelter should be. Seems like your moms decision though not yours. Have you taped him lunging and shown her? Why is the dog outside unsupervised with a fence he can jump? How old did thy estimate the dog to be?

We had one dog that would go after as you described anything in the other side of the fence. But when he was on the same side he had no issues. Fence aggression was CRAZY but working with him it was able to be corrected.


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Intense and unfortunate situation. Kudoz to your mom for helping rescue a dog in need. But any dog bites (or attempts to bite) a person out of unwanted or unneeded aggression, especially a large powerful dog, needs to be pig food, or buried. Period.

My mom in law woulda found out the moment that dog went after my 4 year old that I will end that dog right there on the spot. Rescue or not

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Thanks for the reply! My opinion as well but based on your other posts, it seems we both think alike
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Yeah there are always dogs to save. Who is anyone to say what someone else should or should not be saving. Yeah other dogs need help but those aren't the dogs she is helping. Why don't you pay for a trainer to work with you and the dog if your not comfortable. Can you go to the place she rescued it from an talk to them? My shelter will take back a dog for basing a cat if the owners want to return them lol. Stupidest reasons but we take back any dog that has gone through out doors. Rehoming should to be an option but back to the shelter should be. Seems like your moms decision though not yours. Have you taped him lunging and shown her? Why is the dog outside unsupervised with a fence he can jump? How old did thy estimate the dog to be?

We had one dog that would go after as you described anything in the other side of the fence. But when he was on the same side he had no issues. Fence aggression was CRAZY but working with him it was able to be corrected.


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Thank you for the reply! She got the dog from the county pound so if she sends the dog back and says it is human aggressive... and they believe her, they'll put it down (huge no for her). If they don't believe her, then the dog will be put back up for adoption where some other family could possibly get it (huge no for me).

Personally, I don't have the time or money to devote to her dog...I have my own dogs that I want to work with or spend money on. She has fostered countless rescues and her other dogs are rescues and NONE have ever been this way so I really feel something is wrong with the dog mentally.

I did tape him going after me but she really didn't want to see it...eventually did though.

As far as I know, he cannot jump the fence. It is a VERY secure five foot no climb fence that we spent a lot of money to have professionally installed...it is about as secure as fences come. That said, a dog that is really pumped up can do things you would never think that they could.

They estimated him to be about a year old at the shelter, and I would agree with that.

ETA: Oh and I have seen dogs like the one you mentioned who bluff. I would definitely say this dog isn't just acting tough behind a fence...I feel if the gate magically opened while he was after me, he wouldn't hesitate to come out and get me. I know the type of dogs who are all bark, no bite...this dog doesn't even bark...he just stares and then goes ballistic at the fence trying to grab you through it. It is the quiet dogs that are the scary ones from my experience

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Any animal that tries biting me or mine will be dispatched with vengeance. You need to have a talk with your mother.
Thanks for the reply. I definitely agree with you about that. I didn't want to really get on her about the dog before I heard from other people incase I was jumping the gun. Sounds like we might be having a serious talk soon.
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attacking back at the dog is no way a good thing. It just continues to teach the dog violence. Since you don't know the back ground of the dog it is hard to say what the dog has been through. I just read a story about one of the Michael Vick dogs that was tortured, beaten, starved, made to fight or die and this dog is currently in a loving home with a family that has children. The dogs name is Cherry. Your mom needs to to seek a professional trainer that deals with aggressive dogs and work with the trainer on these issues. If the dog has aggression issues then the trainer can evualate and help your mom and the dog. Please have her talk to a trainer before doing anything else. The majority of the time these issues can be dealt with having the proper training and being consistent with it.
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Help--I don't trust my mom's new rescued "pit bull"

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Thank you for the reply! She got the dog from the county pound so if she sends the dog back and says it is human aggressive... and they believe her, they'll put it down (huge no for her). If they don't believe her, then the dog will be put back up for adoption where some other family could possibly get it (huge no for me).



Personally, I don't have the time or money to devote to her dog...I have my own dogs that I want to work with or spend money on. She has fostered countless rescues and her other dogs are rescues and NONE have ever been this way so I really feel something is wrong with the dog mentally.



I did tape him going after me but she really didn't want to see it...eventually did though.



As far as I know, he cannot jump the fence. It is a VERY secure five foot no climb fence that we spent a lot of money to have professionally installed...it is about as secure as fences come. That said, a dog that is really pumped up can do things you would never think that they could.



They estimated him to be about a year old at the shelter, and I would agree with that.



ETA: Oh and I have seen dogs like the one you mentioned who bluff. I would definitely say this dog isn't just acting tough behind a fence...I feel if the gate magically opened while he was after me, he wouldn't hesitate to come out and get me. I know the type of dogs who are all bark, no bite...this dog doesn't even bark...he just stares and then goes ballistic at the fence trying to grab you through it. It is the quiet dogs that are the scary ones from my experience
Ahhh I get you. Sounds like you know the deal no choice but to wait for your mom to realize and hope nothing happens. Interesting he is fine on walks. I would at least recommend she tell
People he is in training or contagious an can't be approached. Super hard decision and I hope it works out for the best for you. Depending in the athleticism of the dog 5 feet is easy to climb so just be aware of that.





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attacking back at the dog is no way a good thing. It just continues to teach the dog violence. Since you don't know the back ground of the dog it is hard to say what the dog has been through. I just read a story about one of the Michael Vick dogs that was tortured, beaten, starved, made to fight or die and this dog is currently in a loving home with a family that has children. The dogs name is Cherry. Your mom needs to to seek a professional trainer that deals with aggressive dogs and work with the trainer on these issues. If the dog has aggression issues then the trainer can evualate and help your mom and the dog. Please have her talk to a trainer before doing anything else. The majority of the time these issues can be dealt with having the proper training and being consistent with it.
Wait...I'm confused...who is attacking back at the dog?
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Amen! LOL Agree 100%...not enough homes for the happy, healthy, stable dogs...God forbid the ones with temperament issues.
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Ahhh I get you. Sounds like you know the deal no choice but to wait for your mom to realize and hope nothing happens. Interesting he is fine on walks. I would at least recommend she tell
People he is in training or contagious an can't be approached. Super hard decision and I hope it works out for the best for you. Depending in the athleticism of the dog 5 feet is easy to climb so just be aware of that.





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Thanks...I'll have a long talk with her and we'll see how that goes. Appreciate you taking the time to answer my post.
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