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Old 05-11-2015, 10:01 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I think we are disagreeing about small things, overall I don't think you're wrong, I want to go over your first post because you make some good points mixed with some bad ones.

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Pit bull attacks are all too common unfortunately. The history says they were bred against human aggression. But aggression is aggression.
Yes, they are too common. I've read conflicting history, but a lot of people say it was not bred for human aggression because they wanted dogs they could pull out of a ring after a fight. I'm conflicted on the issue but I think it's a bit irrelevant as the problem is here and now and I believe all good breeders should avoid HA dogs. Aggression is NOT just aggression, I'm shocked you would say that, even the GSD board agrees there are different types.

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How do you expect a dog to discern from a child and another dog. The pit was bred to be loyal to its master not necessarily third parties of varying sizes. Pits should always be under control for worse case scenarios.
Dogs can tell the difference between a child and a dog. They are two completely different beings, please don't even try to convince me they can't see, smell, and hear the difference in a child vs. another dog. The dog doesn't see everything roughly the same size as another dog as another dog, that's just silly.

ABSOLUTELY, pits should be under control at all times. All dogs should that is our responsibility as owners, a much heavier responsibility on pit bull owners.

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Contingency plans should something happen. Break sticks and so on. Nanny dog is the biggest rubbish ever created.
In total agreement here.

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Also immediate destruction and always blaming genetics is a also a fault of pit bull owners. Nurture and management is also vitally important.
Okay, THIS is where I think your personal bias is muddying up an otherwise reasonable statement. This is not a fault of pit bull owners, and isn't necessarily a fault depending on who you ask, personally I would not put my dog down after the first bite but I have NO judgments against those who do if they feel the dog is a danger. Nurture and management is definitely a factor and very important.

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The human race breeds a naturally aggressive dog, and then the only option is putting it down. 3 strikes is a bit much. But sometimes no attempt to rehabilitate, or try to manage it better so it's not around potential targets saddens me.
I actually agree with you here. But this can be applied to GSDs, Rotties, Dobes, etc., as I'm sure you know.

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You chose to buy a naturally volatile breed. Yet give up on it when human breeding practises cause it to faulter. That and the combination of bad management and training.
Okay, fair enough, but again can be applied to other dog breeds and sometimes all the training and management in the world won't help if the dog truly just has a "loose screw". It's not fair to make a blanket statement like that as you can't know the circumstances behind every dog attack.

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If pitbull owners were as cotienscous as many gsd owners the breed could exist harmoniously in society, under the correct capable hands. The problem is the nanny dog image and false advertising to combat the bans and bsl. Which I am completely against for the record. I'm pro education, and more responsible owners knowing and respecting the power of the breed.
Ugh, again, a reasonable point made hard to swallow by personal bias.

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The problem starts with misinformation and a natural perception that the dog is aggressive so it's normal. The fact is it had a predisposition for aggression. It is not necessarily born to do these things.
It's not misinformation to tell people the breed has a tendency for dog aggression. When it was bred for fighting I suppose someone could make the argument it WAS bred for aggression, but a specific type.

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Raise any species in a completely dark room and it will be blind permanently, irrelevant that it was genetically engineered to see. Get the point?
...Sort of. I think you're not being literal and just making a point but I still have to disagree here. All the socialization, management, training, etc will not make much difference *IN EXTREME CASES*. It's not fair to responsible owners of ANY breed who has done their due diligence to train a dog but still have the dog show aggression to say "Well, you just didn't try hard enough."
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Old 08-29-2015, 04:56 AM   #34 (permalink)
 

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my uncle's dog once bit his servant ,who was actually bringing him food.The dog was German shepherd ,he could take that and jumped on the poor guy and injured him badly . the case was filed and dog was kept with in jail and uncle was fined heavily.

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He had been my dog, and regardless of what the people who were not in the situation when he had past issues say I owed him the needle and not a poorly placed bullet followed by a second even worse placed bullet. The needle was hard enough on me, and I nearly backed out with every step. As nobody witnessed the incident with my child and she lacked the vocabulary to accuse and had no fear of him what so ever I will never consider that a bite. The real bite at the weight pull track was witnessed by dog men with decades more experience, and the fear caused by the sound of the cart was enough for these men to excuse it, and tell me to watch him. The bite on the young neighbor was inexcusable, and unprovoked, but doing the right thing never felt worse.
That must have taken a lot of courage. You have my respect.
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