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Old 09-24-2016, 10:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone. Having a great deal of issues with my 1 year old female. I understand that being she's still so young, she's testing me and my patience but I'm having an issue with her always jumping on the couch always has her mouth open when we play or pet her. It's not an aggressive posture, however it's intimidating to people who don't know her well. She won't clamp down but she will play bite and will always be open. The only time we can pet her is when she's absolutely wiped out. Also the simple commands like sit, stay, come, lay down isn't something she's very good at. I spent weeks working with her trying to train and I feel she's lacking in this department. She'll sit and stay if there's food involved but if I take her in the yard it's almost like she pretends to be deaf. She won't come or stay. She just explores and wanders and it's becoming a concern for me. Anyone else have this problem? Do they grow out of it or did I fail her?
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Do you have access to a trainer in your area? It would be beneficial to take her into a beginner's obedience class.
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Old 09-25-2016, 03:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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There's ones at Petco but I heard they aren't good classes and private trainers are very expensive. I didn't know if there were any other techniques I could try. I used the clicker and it works but she's only motivated by food. If I don't have anything and only use verbal and physical praise, she will be reluctant to respond
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Old 09-25-2016, 11:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Do you use any corrections? I am a firm believer in positive reinforcement but sometimes, with very strong willed dogs, you have to correct them when they behave poorly. It sounds like you have a dominant dog who thinks, and more or less is, the boss. Strong willed dogs require strong handlers and maybe you haven't been as strong with the dog as you need to be? Just my initial thoughts.
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Thank you for your reply, I don't know what else to do as far as corrections. The last thing I ever want to do is have to put a hand on her but at this point it feels that is the only thing left to do and I would rather come and ask for everyone's input in regards to my situation. For example if I am around doing things in the house she will jump up on the couch and she knows that it's wrong because this has been something I have diligently reprimanded her about. She is very strong-willed and determined and I love that about her but I feel for me it's impossible to channel that enthusiasm into a more positive manner. Even if I am sitting on the couch, even if I am sitting on the couch and there are people sitting next to me she will run around and jump in midair on the couch like a missile with total disregard. It's hard for me right now to spend hundreds of dollars to go to a professional trainer if it's something that can be corrected myself. It's just tht the ways I have been trying aren't working. I've tried clicker training, time out, I've purchased books and I can't seem to get it right.
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JMS, your first post on this thread put a smile on my face. Not to laugh at your expense but you perfectly described bully type dog. They are incredibly strong willed, hard headed, stubborn and defiant. They love attention (good or bad) and that jumping up into the air is what we call the bully hop.
You have not failed the dog but you do have to be just as bull headed as they are with training. Keep in mind you are still dealing with very young puppy and often the real challenge is when they turn two and seem to forget all they were taught in their first year.
The dog has a very high energy level and needs lots of exercise and then some more exercise. Most behavior problems are stopped when the pup is too tired to much more then sleep. When the dog is tired out from walking, running, playing with flirt pole etc. that is the time to spend training it. Again, it's still a baby but now is the time to teach then right from wrong and what is and is not acceptable.
Be as stubborn as it is and stick with it. The dog will learn to control itself. Right now it just wants to have fun all the time, just like most young kids.

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Old 09-25-2016, 11:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me Joe. My name's Joe too by the way. Yes I know they are very strong willed and energetic and we do a lot of walking and I get tired way before she does so now I need to funnel the excess energy in some other way. I actually made a flirt pole today and she seemed curious about it but wasn't interested in it after about 5 minutes. I had her loose in my yard and she was just wandering and exploring and I don't mind but when I call her she completely ignored me. Looked straight at me and blew me off. She knows to
"Come" inside the house and I knew to expect she would disregard my call for her but I experimented anyway. How else can I funnel her extra energy. She absolutely loves to play tug. Since she was a baby that was her calling haha. Is she too young for me to make a spring pole? She must still be developing as she will only be 1 year old at the end of October. Halloween pup ?
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Hey JMS. I would never, ever suggest putting your hands on your dog or any dog for that matter! I totally understand your frustration. All good advice here so far. The best thing you can always do is exercise, exercise, exercise. Your pup is definitely not too young for a spring pole. We just made one in our back yard for our pups who are only 3 mos old and they LOVE it! You could also buy a tug to use with her in the house to tug when she listens and doesn't jump. By corrections, this is what we used on my older girl: We used a slip collar and lead, even in the house. Whenever she could not be supervised she was contained. When she was able to be supervised we had her on lead with the slip collar. We ALWAYS rewarded good behavior with either a tug or small treats. When she misbehaved or did not listen, she would get a very small correction by just a very very light tug on the leash. It's important that the leash remains slack at all other times or the dog will see it as a correction. That is what we did; however, it's always best to get the advice and training from a training in the area whenever possible. Even just one lesson can give you ideas as to how to handle her puppy energy!
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hey JMS. I would never, ever suggest putting your hands on your dog or any dog for that matter! I totally understand your frustration. All good advice here so far. The best thing you can always do is exercise, exercise, exercise. Your pup is definitely not too young for a spring pole. We just made one in our back yard for our pups who are only 3 mos old and they LOVE it! You could also buy a tug to use with her in the house to tug when she listens and doesn't jump. By corrections, this is what we used on my older girl: We used a slip collar and lead, even in the house. Whenever she could not be supervised she was contained. When she was able to be supervised we had her on lead with the slip collar. We ALWAYS rewarded good behavior with either a tug or small treats. When she misbehaved or did not listen, she would get a very small correction by just a very very light tug on the leash. It's important that the leash remains slack at all other times or the dog will see it as a correction. That is what we did; however, it's always best to get the advice and training from a training in the area whenever possible. Even just one lesson can give you ideas as to how to handle her puppy energy!


Thanks for your input ciaramama I'll def give that a thought. We play tug all the time and I made her a spring pole but if I'm not holding it she's not budging. A lot of trial and error with this one. Haha


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I fully know what you mean as far as tiring out before the dogs. If you own a treadmill it can be a life saver. Mine were taught to walk on the treadmill and it can keep burning up that energy long past my threshold, LOL.
Here in Chicago there are Winter days that the temps are too cold or the snow too deep to take them for walks and the treadmill gets a workout. My girl Athena will sometimes walk on it with me. Good for both of us.

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Old 09-28-2016, 02:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Yea I'm in New Jersey and winters coming In quick it feels like so I may need that treadmill as an option


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Old 09-29-2016, 10:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Your pup is adorable! I can give lots of tips especially if you are having trouble locating a trainer. What are you trying to do first? lol I would start by focusing on one thing at a time and not moving on until you get the correct response. So if she knows sit and does this 9 out of 10 times when you ask her, then move onto lay. When she gets that 9 out of 10 times move onto Drop, Stay, Come, etc. Don't expect her to get what you are asking without setting the foundation for her. you need to keep up with all the commands you are teaching so she doesn't forget them, just don't add new ones until she masters one.

A lot of people make the mistake of giving their dog a command YOU KNOW your dog knows, and then when they are ignored, owner repeats the command over and over and over. This teaches the dog to listen when THEY want not when you command them. So in your example, you call your dog, she doesn't come, you need to go get her. Don't ever call a dog you are not prepared to go get. Do not ever call a dog to you to punish her. You need to teach her she can not ignore your command.

I would suggest starting over. Keep your session to 10 minutes at a time, and ALWAYS end on a high note. If you find yourself getting frustrated its time to take a break, ask her to do something you know she will get so you both end on a good note. you can do multiple sessions a day but keep the time short. get a long lead, rope something that you are able to gently tug when you ask her. Does she have a favorite toy? Favorite treat? Say "HERE" or something other than "COME" since you know come doesn't mean to her what you want it to mean. You could try HERE as the command or something else. When you say HERE and she doesn't come to you gently tug to get her attention and when she comes to you reward with High value toy or treat. Let her wander, say HERE again, gently tug the line to you, if she doesn't come to you go get her and lead her back to where you were. Teach her what you are asking. Super happy excited she needs to know she did the right thing. Anpther thing to note is don;t just call your dog when it is time to go inside. If you are outside for like 10 minutes. Call her over to you to give her a pat, a rb down, scratch behind the ears, even a treat or something. If you start to just call her when the fun is over, I would stop going to you too Swicth it up. go to a different part of the yard ad call her to you over there. Dont just stand in the same place. If that doesn't work or you have any questions let me know! I am teaching my dog to count right now so he can be the hit at parties lol

Spring pole is OK, I would keep all paws on the floor until she is 2, that's just me. Don't let her jump all over and dangle until she is a it older, you want to make sure her back 2 paws can always reach the ground, never have it high enough she cant reach the ground.

I give funny names to commands for my dog. "Stimpy" means lay down. "Ding Ding" means sit "dead dog" means roll to the side. Makes it fun when others try to tell my dog what to do lol. Incorporating hand signals also helps if you have a big yard or if she gets old and her hearing goes lol I train with verbal and hand commands so my dog has both queues for him to know what I am asking.
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Thank you for all that advice Ames. I would NEVER punish her for coming to me even if it takes 100 calls, however she knows all her commands bc she does them but the issue is, when she feels like doing them. If I called her over right now it's a 50/50 chance if she'll come to me or say " nah I'm comfy in my bed" if I had a hot dog she'd do a backflip lol. I really want to master her commands at 100%. Sit, stand, lay down, off, drop it where she can do it almost like a robot lol. I feel these commands are imperative especially bc where I live is semi rural and there's a lot of woods out back for her to get lost in and a major highway in front to get hurt in. So I would love for her to just know these simple commands 100%. You never know when it could be a life saver. Things happen


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Thank you for all that advice Ames. I would NEVER punish her for coming to me even if it takes 100 calls, however she knows all her commands bc she does them but the issue is, when she feels like doing them. If I called her over right now it's a 50/50 chance if she'll come to me or say " nah I'm comfy in my bed" if I had a hot dog she'd do a backflip lol. I really want to master her commands at 100%. Sit, stand, lay down, off, drop it where she can do it almost like a robot lol. I feel these commands are imperative especially bc where I live is semi rural and there's a lot of woods out back for her to get lost in and a major highway in front to get hurt in. So I would love for her to just know these simple commands 100%. You never know when it could be a life saver. Things happen


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I strongly believe that no dog can ever have 100% recall. Ever. No matter how many owner's claim their dogs have 100% recall, I just don't believe it. You never know if a squirrel or anything might come across that is way more interesting than you are. Even Service dogs shouldn't be expected to have 100% recall at all times. I agree with you for sure, basic commands are super important to master. you also never know if a dog could ever be off leash and attack her, and if your area has leash laws your dog could fight back and be blamed if anything happened. I also live in a very populated state, so that could factor into my opinion lol
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I may have used 100% a little loosely but what I meant was at least an 8/10 recall. Even the other commands I would be extremely happy with 8/10 obedience. She's just turning a year old at the end of October. Being I tried to do the training since she was 8 weeks old, do you think she was a little too young to grasp the the training? I've seen young puppies on YouTube with very good obedience, however I know every dog is different. So my question is now that she is about to turn one year old, do I have a better shot of her grasping the training now that she's a little older?


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