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Old 01-07-2018, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Todayís trip to the dog park

Today we went to the dog park and were there for about a half hour, king was doing very good and I thought I would give him a few more mins to run out some energy before we got ready to leave. He headed towards the front gate where some new dogs were entering , he said hi to about two of them and went on to the lab mix that was very submissive, and actually peed while king sniffed him. I told king to leave him alone and before I could grab him by his harness he grabbed onto the other dogs neck. My partner, myself, and some people from the dog park grabbed king trying to get him to let go but I.T seemed like the more the other dog cried king held on. Can anyone tell me why this would happen? King has never been aggressive towards other dogs and I have had him since he was a puppy . Itís very scary and a little embarrassing getting the questions and looks as I walked out with him (most likely because he is a pit)


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Old 01-07-2018, 10:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Any bull breed or pit mix has a genetic predisposition towards dog aggression. Sometimes it doesnít show at all, sometimes itís towards all other dogs, sometimes itís selective and only towards some other dogs. For this reason these dogs donít belong in a dog park. And once these dogs get a good bite they DO NOT let go. Thatís why this happened and will happen again. I strongly suggest you avoid dog parks and get and learn how to use a break stick. Itís the safest way for all involved (dogs and people) to separate the dogs and dislodge the bite.

I have several dog parks in my area that I take my two mutts to but we only ever stay if weíre alone there. I have occasionally stayed if there is only one other dog there but thatís rare and only if they get along after leashed introductions.

Even if there is a problem and itís NOT your dogs fault, it WILL be blamed on him due to breed alone. Itís a shame but true.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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My pit mix also showed dog aggression to a pup we tried to adopt (ended up giving to my parents due to fear of fatal accident) and she now doesn't react very well to any dogs smaller than a full grown corgi. (Yet she never show aggression to any bigger dogs that have escaped their yard/house that approach her.) It's frustrating but I also agree about avoiding dog parks.

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THIS should be a mandatory read for all Bully owners.

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Thanks Joe. Makes me cry every time I read it still.
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Interestingly enough service dogs police gsd will also attack dogs that act unsure, good handlers will never let you bring your dog near, because they know this, they are not worried about your dog but their own. But working line gsd and Czech line shepherds are not considered to have dog aggression in there nature any differently then other breeds they do have higher drive levels.

I wonder if there's a connection between the service dogs training and bully breeds and perhaps there's something we overlook raising bullys vs other breeds which may cause this in varied amounts dependant on the case

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Interestingly enough service dogs police gsd will also attack dogs that act unsure, good handlers will never let you bring your dog near, because they know this, they are not worried about your dog but their own. But working line gsd and Czech line shepherds are not considered to have dog aggression in there nature any differently then other breeds they do have higher drive levels.

I wonder if there's a connection between the service dogs training and bully breeds and perhaps there's something we overlook raising bullys vs other breeds which may cause this in varied amounts dependant on the case

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This isn't entirely true. My (soon to be ex) husband was a certified Police/corrections K-9 handler and trainer. It is true that ANY dog can attack another dog who is unsure or acting “different” because the attacking dog, if you may, may think there’s something wrong with the dog not acting “right”. This is why some dogs attack their brothers or sisters when they come home on anesthesia after a procedure, as an example. I had a little terrier mix dog named Nickel when I met the ex. We were lucky and he fit in pretty well with Ciara and Diesel (our bulls), but we once had to give Nickel Benadryl to treat some hives and that was the only dog fight we had between them. Ciara did not like how he was acting on the Benadryl and went after him. It was short lived because we were on it and Nickel spent the rest of his night in his crate. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen. It’s a very different kind of aggression than straight up DA. However, GSD, Dutch Shepards and Malinois most typically used for protection work and K9 work are working dogs with protection ingrained in their genetics much like DA is ingrained into the genetics of bulldogs.

What you are describing isn’t DA but natural dog behavior. Most handlers won’t let others near their working dogs for liability reasons only. K9’s are taught controlled aggression and any dog that doesn’t release on command typically won’t make it to the streets. If the handler does not have total control of their dog, the dog doesn’t make it to the streets as a working dog - more for liability reasons than anything else. Many of our police departments (we dispatch over 50 at work) have done away with their K9 programs because liability insurance is out of control, not because any of the dogs showed any DA issues. Now, with that being said, they are protection working dogs so anything they perceive as a threat to themselves OR their handler will provoke aggression. That’s what’s ingrained in their genetics and taught through training. They are taught to protect and obey their handler above all else.

This is why you see almost completely Shepard’s and Mal’s in PSA trials and not bulldogs. Bulldogs love people above all else. I’ve done training with some of the County dog teams in the past including bite work. What amazes me is that one of the dogs I took a bite from was a huge Dutch Shepard and he was definitely more gentle with me than he was with the “bigger targets”. Fascinating stuff really.
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Old 01-10-2018, 02:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Wow very interesting, if I didn't have to be a local cop for so many years prior to becoming a police dog trainer I would of followed it up, but it's just not my thing

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